It's a mind thing ... Love the Lord thy God with all of thine heart, thine mind and thine strength.
Some are called to this particular discplined way of life, but they have to deny oneself so many things in order to obtain the proper body and mind set ... that they must not forget who their Lord and master is ...
one of the worst things you can hear God say is; "I didn't tell you to do that"
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It's a mind thing ... Love the Lord thy God with all of thine heart, thine mind and thine strength.
Some are called to this particular discplined way of life, but they have to deny oneself so many things in order to obtain the proper body and mind set ... that they must not forget who their Lord and master is ...
one of the worst things you can hear God say is; "I didn't tell you to do that"
Do you believe that Karate and yoga can be or is dangerous for Christians?
Perhaps Karate and yoga can be dangerous for some Christians, and if so, then they should not do it at all, especially if it goes against their conscience. And I fall into that category. Yet, I have known some very good Christians who have studied Karate. I even met a Christian who teaches it from a Christian point of view to do no harm.
Either way, I do not think that the Church has officially ruled one way or the other.
I have never heard of people who practice Karate as being actually demon-possessed. On the other hand, anyone could be possessed if they let themselves be open to a wicked lifestyle or were cursed in some way.
But saying that all practitioners of yoga and karate are demon-possessed is stereotyping that could border on flaming, in my opinion.
While I have met only a few practitioners who scare me because they seem to have the wrong attitude, I have met a lot of very disciplined and kind people who are into Karate as a form of exercise, and nothing more.
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Saint Paul said that you can not tell who is going to heaven nor who is going to hell
You shall know them by their fruit ...
If a person says they are Christian and they are into martial arts too doesn't change the Word of God. Chuck Norris is a Christian and a movie star and a champion black belt krate expert
You shall know them by their fruit ...
Yoga is a different matter taught by what native country?
You shall know them by their fruit ...
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This site goes on to say how channeling your inner energy is opening the doors to the demonic
and here is a quote from another site:
Spirits behind Karate (including spirits of mind control) - The person is offered an 'out of this world' means of defending them self that the average person does not have. When a person begins to seek this power found in martial arts, they are welcoming spirits of mind control and such to come in and make themselves at home.
When a person breaks a board with their hand, there is an evil spirit that goes ahead of their hand and breaks the board before their skin even touches the board! If you take a macro slow motion video of a young boy breaking a 2x4 in half, you will eye-witness this fact. The same spirits will cause a person to be able to strike a seriously harmful blow to somebody else's body, and do far more than more than a mere physical blow would do the person. That is because evil spirits are involved. One time a man came to Christ after earning a high level ranking in karate, and not long afterwards, his karate instructor said to him, "You have lost the spirit of karate!"
that is from: greatbiblestudy dot com slash opening underscor e demonic underscore dot php
So hmmmm.....interesting stuff there, huh? Especially the evil spirit that goes before you in karate to break stuff for you!
So what do you all think? I know we got some martial arts people on here.....so how have you been dealing with these demons?
This is total crap.
Movement is movement. So why don't they say also that Christians can't participate in ANY sport?
Mastery over one's body is part of the Cultural Mandate.
Gen 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
(emphasis mine)
There may be people that invoke the spirits like in Silat, but you don't have to follow them.
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Please note that not all martial arts are built on Eastern Philosophy. I am a European martial artist, which involves several disciplines with a very, very solid Christian background to them.
Examples would be Russian martial arts. Russians are traditionally Orthodox Christians. Whether they are Christians by name only or are real Christians is out of the scope of this discussion.
Originally Posted by Tychicus2
I don't believe Christians can be demon possesed... If the Holy Spirit is indwelling the believer no demon can overcome God...
I believe discipline and exercise are good things...
I have broken a board with my hand and it's not Spiritual... really... It is a focused, disciplined, physical strike that if done correctly breaks the board with no physical damage, but there is definite physical contact...
Ty
Absolutely agree.
Originally Posted by MariaRegina
I stay clear of yoga too and it is not a matter of insecurity.
I don't like the pain. In fact, my muscles tend to cramp very easily and taking on yoga would be sadistic.
If you do yoga properly you can use it to release tension.
Its nothing more than very well trained, very focused individuals performing an extreme discipline. They may look supernatural, but really, they aren';t any more supernatural than the feats achieved by Olympic athletes.
Right.
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I can definitely see where a lot of religious people would have an issue with TRADITIONAL martial arts. And I see it a lot with regard to my kwoon. The problem is, I think, that there are plenty of "sport karate" dojos, which are great for what they are, but do not represent martial arts truly. Particularly in America, Karate has become a commercial boom. These dojos have no elements of tradition, they focus on stretching/self-defense/movement. They focus on health and "reaching goals." The goals are laughable. The sensei practically guarantees a belt every 8 months. They constantly compete in tournaments (where they are wearing armor like medieval knights on horseback). The dojos are brightly lit, the gi are clean and pressed, and the environment is one of companionship and happiness. I have even seen schools that offer birthday parties for kids, homework help, etc. In such schools, there is nothing contrary to any religion, I think. (Unless you despise capitalism???)
My kwoon is traditional. When you come in to train and when you leave you bow to Sifu and you bow to the altar. On the altar there are statues of general kwan, fruits, incense, candles and photographs of the masters in our lineage. There are Buddhas and lion dogs all over the kwoon. I guess it depends on how "fundamentalist" the person is, but this bowing to the altar bothers people.
We cultivate Qi. Qi is not a "euphemism" for bloodflow or strength or breath. People who describe it thusly do not know what they are speaking about. Its a pretty good measure, because once they say that - you can stop listening, they have no clue.
We train hard. We spar without gloves, helmets, chest pieces, and all the other mess. Just groin cups and mouthpieces. Sport/American karate trains for tournaments - so they form the habit of "pulling punches" for the tournament sparring. We generally avoid tournament sparring unless it is full contact without gear. We do this because our intention is to become fighters. If we NEED to use our art, it is not for points. There will be no referee. There is no "honorable" fight - we fight to destroy our opponent effectively and efficiently. Many religious people would take issue with this mindset - it does not teach "turn the other cheek" or "fighting is immoral." There is no pacifism here.
Finally, select elder students are selected, after years of service, to become Sifu's disciples. There is a ceremony. They pledge their life to him and his teachings. Again, for those used to the shallow American Karate schools, this is difficult. And I can certainly see some religious people being very uncomfortable with this relationship with a sifu.
We break bricks. We do not break pre-manufactured boards. We do not use spacers. It is not a matter of "power" alone. But there is no "evil spirit" that zaps from our palms.
I guess it REALLY depends on what people mean when they say "martial arts." Do they mean the sport stuff? Or do they mean the traditional stuff?
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If you study Asian martial arts you'll certainly learn at least elements of eastern philosophy. I don't really see why anyone would consider that bad, in and of itself. Or you could study western martial arts, which are making a rather impressive come back and are much more practical than your typical study of Asian martial arts. Even though much of what westerners learn when they study what we commonly called martial arts are widely recongized in the east as being military exercise forms which are intended for training and competition, not actual combat. Rather like what we call fencing today is a sport that evolved from actual fencing, which was a combat technique in its day.
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This site goes on to say how channeling your inner energy is opening the doors to the demonic
and here is a quote from another site:
Spirits behind Karate (including spirits of mind control) - The person is offered an 'out of this world' means of defending them self that the average person does not have. When a person begins to seek this power found in martial arts, they are welcoming spirits of mind control and such to come in and make themselves at home.
When a person breaks a board with their hand, there is an evil spirit that goes ahead of their hand and breaks the board before their skin even touches the board! If you take a macro slow motion video of a young boy breaking a 2x4 in half, you will eye-witness this fact. The same spirits will cause a person to be able to strike a seriously harmful blow to somebody else's body, and do far more than more than a mere physical blow would do the person. That is because evil spirits are involved. One time a man came to Christ after earning a high level ranking in karate, and not long afterwards, his karate instructor said to him, "You have lost the spirit of karate!"
that is from: greatbiblestudy dot com slash opening underscor e demonic underscore dot php
So hmmmm.....interesting stuff there, huh? Especially the evil spirit that goes before you in karate to break stuff for you!
So what do you all think? I know we got some martial arts people on here.....so how have you been dealing with these demons?
That is utter nonsense. Martial arts is pure physics. There are some internal martial arts programs, I even learned some of that. My teacher did not believe in any of that absurd mystical stuff.
Breaking bricks is not mystical. It is physics.
Very, very few people in modern martial arts in the West see it as some sort of mystical thing -- not anymore then biking or working out with weights.
People should not judge by mere appearances or make sweeping judgments against innocent people on matters they know nothing of.
I used to be a light practitioner of Karate (Kyokushin to be exact). I have since moved on to Muay Thai, which most know is a highly dangerous art to use if used effectively. Of course, im only doing it to better myself and cultivate self-discipline.
As for spiritual influences, I have thought about it, but I dont think I was urged to do anything that would put me at risk. I would know if I was, and I haven't been so far.
I practice western boxing and muay thai. With muay thai, I don't get into any of the spiritual stuff, I'll never wear a mongkuong, I'll never do any bowing or any of that stuff. Strictly in it for the personal combat/self defense aspect.
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