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Since scientists claim that evolution is a fact, not a fantasy, then please tell us the origin of man (common ancestor). Is it:
1) An ape
2) A monkey
3) A lizard
4) An amoeba
50 Aliens
6) An orangutang
7) A made-up animal
8) A cell
9) unknown
I guess it depends on each individual imagination. Since Darwin didn't know his main characters (namely, the common ancestors) then he certainly can't know what kind of descendants they were capable of breeding and neither can anyone else. So the story of evolution is as imaginary as "Lord Of The Rings." At least Tolken knew that the characters he conjured up in his imagination were fictional. But Darwin believed that the characters he can't even describe because he doesn't know them, were real. There can hardly be anything more delusional.
There is no one common ancestor. Humans have many common ancestors with successive animal outgroups. If it's a particular common ancestor you're looking for, you need to state which animal outgroup you want to compare to. For example, we share a common amniote ancestor with lizards, which for all intents and purposes probably looked something like Casineria or a cotylosaur.
__________________ "There is evidence for evolution, gobs and gobs of it. It is not just speculation or a faith choice or an assumption or a religion. It is a productive framework for lots of biological research, and it has amazing explanatory power. There is no conspiracy to hide the truth about the failure of evolution. There has really been no failure of evolution as a scientific theory. It works, and it works well." -- creation scientist Dr. Todd Wood
There is no one common ancestor. Humans have many common ancestors with successive animal outgroups. If it's a particular common ancestor you're looking for, you need to state which animal outgroup you want to compare to. For example, we share a common amniote ancestor with lizards, which for all intents and purposes probably looked something like Casineria or a cotylosaur.
How do you know unless you know who they are? Or are you just imagining what they'd have to be if your story is true? Again, that's no different than saying; "if humans came from dogs, then many half-dogs half-humans would have had to have produced them." And again, the conclusion can only be as imaginary as the premise.
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My thoughts exactly.
I just bought Noll's Scandal of the Evangelical Mind recently, but I'm waiting until after my PhD candidacy exam to read it. Looking forward to what kind of insight he has to offer.
__________________ "There is evidence for evolution, gobs and gobs of it. It is not just speculation or a faith choice or an assumption or a religion. It is a productive framework for lots of biological research, and it has amazing explanatory power. There is no conspiracy to hide the truth about the failure of evolution. There has really been no failure of evolution as a scientific theory. It works, and it works well." -- creation scientist Dr. Todd Wood
My thoughts exactly.
I just bought Noll's Scandal of the Evangelical Mind recently, but I'm waiting until after my PhD candidacy exam to read it. Looking forward to what kind of insight he has to offer.
You can be sure of one thing; his words will be fallible because he is not God.
You can be sure of one thing; his words will be fallible because he is not God.
Neither are you.
__________________ "There is evidence for evolution, gobs and gobs of it. It is not just speculation or a faith choice or an assumption or a religion. It is a productive framework for lots of biological research, and it has amazing explanatory power. There is no conspiracy to hide the truth about the failure of evolution. There has really been no failure of evolution as a scientific theory. It works, and it works well." -- creation scientist Dr. Todd Wood
Since Darwin didn't know his main characters (namely, the common ancestors) then he certainly can't know what kind of descendants they were capable of breeding and neither can anyone else. 
So the story of evolution is as imaginary as "Lord Of The Rings." At least Tolken knew that the characters he conjured up in his imagination were fictional. But Darwin believed that the characters he can't even describe because he doesn't know them, were real. There can hardly be anything more delusional. 
Or are you just imagining what they'd have to be if your story is true? Again, that's no different than saying; "if humans came from dogs, then many half-dogs half-humans would have had to have produced them." 
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