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4th June 2009, 10:50 PM
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Wrong again. I have a question for you: Do you know why humans can't produce descendants that are; goats, frogs, monkeys, orangutangs, turtles, lions, tigers, or bears? or not? 
If you do, then it's only a matter of the simple birds and bees to know why animals can't produce human descendants either; animals and humans don't carry each other's DNA. So one cannot breed the other. Only in the imaginations of men can that happen, not in reality . It's that simple. 
I'm really surprised anyone is taking you seriously at all. You really don't know of what you speak. These are called straw man arguments and not at all new
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4th June 2009, 10:57 PM
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Reps: 162,057,471,836 (power: 162,057,477) | | Originally Posted by herev I'm really surprised anyone is taking you seriously at all. You really don't know of what you speak. These are called straw man arguments and not at all new
So you don't believe that humans breed humans and apes breed apes. Is that correct? If so, then I can see why you don't take me seriously. 
But in order to discuss the story of evolution, one has to indulge in fantasy since the whole premise of evolution is hypothetical (imaginary), which is precisely why it's called a theory.
The premise goes like this: "What if humans came from a monkey, no, an ape, no, a half-man, half-beast, no a fictitious animal? How could that happen?"
So in order to discuss how that could happen, one has to indulge in fantasy. And indulging in the imagination rather than describing what happens in reality is called science fiction. I'm not a science fiction writer so I'll bow out. I'll simply tell you what animals and humans breed in reality. |
4th June 2009, 10:58 PM
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Reps: 201,770,799,312,244,992 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by peace4ever Science fiction is about what could happen in reality, science is about what does happen in reality. All science fiction books and movies are written from a "what if?" which is called a hypothetical, or hypothesis (something that doesn't happen in reality). Examples are;
1)"What if aliens once ruled the world? How would that happen?
2) "What if aliens exist and war between each other?" Thus the movie "Star Wars"
The story of evolution is no exception. "What if humans came from monkeys or some other fictitious animal? How could that happen?"
The premise of your post is where you've made a mistake. It wasn't that scientists first decided that humans shared ancestry with apes, then tried thier best to back it up. Rather, scientists concluded after much study, that humans shared common ancestry with apes. "Once upon a long time ago an ancestor common to a monkey, no a human, no some extinct lower primate mated with a...human, no a monkey..oh well I'll skip that part too. 
scientists are sure that the first humans mated with thier own population. there's no confusion, as you're trying to make it seem. Needless to say, a story that hasn't started out well can't end well either.
Not if some one like you has the story wrong. Nevertheless, this badly written fiction story has been accepted as true in the real world. Why?
Because the real world doesn't accept the incorrect portrait of evolution you've painted. The real world accepts the actual portrait of evolution painted by years of scientific study.
But the fact of the matter is, animals don't carry human DNA any more than humans carry animal DNA.
Scientifically speaking, humans are animals. So we do carry "animal" DNA. Which would mean you're wrong.
Doesn't matter really, I don't think you're a real poster. You're probably a troll, or someone trying to give Christians a bad name with outlandishly dumb posts.  |
4th June 2009, 11:03 PM
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Reps: 162,057,471,836 (power: 162,057,477) | | Originally Posted by shinbits The premise of your post is where you've made a mistake. It wasn't that scientists first decided that humans shared ancestry with apes, then tried thier best to back it up. Rather, scientists concluded after much study, that humans shared common ancestry with apes.
scientists are sure that the first humans mated with thier own population. there's no confusion, as you're trying to make it seem.
Not if some one like you has the story wrong.
Because the real world doesn't accept the incorrect portrait of evolution you've painted. The real world accepts the actual portrait of evolution painted by years of scientific study.
Scientifically speaking, humans are animals. So we do carry "animal" DNA. Which would mean you're wrong.
Doesn't matter really, I don't think you're a real poster. You're probably a troll, or someone trying to give Christians a bad name with outlandishly dumb posts.
So who does the world accept as the common ancestor?  Please describe him.. or them. The world will accept anything scientists tell them, hook, line and sinker without even challenging it. The only problem is, scientists haven't yet told us who the common ancestor is. So I'd love to hear your story.  |
4th June 2009, 11:11 PM
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Reps: 162,057,471,836 (power: 162,057,477) | | Scientifically speaking, humans are animals. So we do carry "animal" DNA. Which would mean you're wrong.
Wrong again. Scientists can easily distinguish animal DNA from human DNA. And if humans were carrying animal DNA, then we would be occasionally breeding descendants of that animal.
So sorry friend, but since you don't understand the birds and the bees, then you mix humans with animals and thus have no clue what each one is capable of breeding. But creationists know.  |
4th June 2009, 11:12 PM
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Reps: 18,889,155,825,852,136 (power: 18,889,155,825,864) | | Originally Posted by herev I'm really surprised anyone is taking you seriously at all. You really don't know of what you speak. These are called straw man arguments and not at all new
Ditto. Like I said, see Titus 3:10.
Christians converse with one another with patience, respect, and an open ear. We've seen everything but from peace4ever thus far.
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4th June 2009, 11:15 PM
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Reps: 178,751,386,065,373,056 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by peace4ever So who does the world accept as the common ancestor? Please describe him.. or them. The world will accept anything scientists tell them, hook, line and sinker without even challenging it. The only problem is, scientists haven't yet told us who the common ancestor is. So I'd love to hear your story.
There are many common ancestors.
Tiktaalik is probably one. Icthyostega is probably another. Way way before that, Haikouichthys - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia is quite possibly the common ancestor of all chordates alive today. |
4th June 2009, 11:17 PM
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Reps: 178,751,386,065,373,056 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by Mallon Ditto. Like I said, see Titus 3:10.
Christians converse with one another with patience, respect, and an open ear. We've seen everything but from peace4ever thus far.
The smilies, the insistance that there is only ONE common ancestor in evolutionary theory... its Carico, risen from the grave! I'm telling you! |
4th June 2009, 11:18 PM
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Reps: 162,057,471,836 (power: 162,057,477) | | Originally Posted by Mallon Ditto. Like I said, see Titus 3:10.
Christians converse with one another with patience, respect, and an open ear. We've seen everything but from peace4ever thus far.
Matthew 23:33, "You snakes! You brood of vipers! How can you escape being condemned to hell?"
So sorry, but Christ's love is not the love that the world who's rules by Satan gives or takes. Jesus doesn't compromise the truth to spare people's feelings. He openly rebukes those who pass along lies. Satan's love gives people what they want. God's love gives us the truth so people will repent and be saved. One's eternal soul is far more important than his earthly pride. So it's not loving to indulge people who pass along false beliefs. But the world doesn't like Christ's love which is of course, why Jesus was killed. |
4th June 2009, 11:28 PM
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Reps: 18,889,155,825,852,136 (power: 18,889,155,825,864) | | Originally Posted by peace4ever Matthew 23:33, "You snakes! You brood of vipers! How can you escape being condemned to hell?"
So sorry, but Christ's love is not the love that the world who's rules by Satan gives or takes. Jesus doesn't compromise the truth to spare people's feelings. He openly rebukes those who pass along lies. Satan's love gives people what they want. God's love gives us the truth so people will repent and be saved. One's eternal soul is far more important than his earthly pride. So it's not loving to indulge people who pass along false beliefs. But the world doesn't like Christ's love which is of course, why Jesus was killed.
You aren't Jesus, peace4ever. You're a fallible human, like the rest of us, and as such, your interpretation of the Scriptures is just as likely to be in error as our ow n. None of us has access to the mind of God. Jesus had the right to judge hearts of the Pharisees because he was fully God. You aren't. Better to take heed of the Lord's command to answer others with "gentleness and respect" (1 Peter 3:15), rather than with vitriol and condescending smiley faces.
As for me, I'll heed Titus 3:10.
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