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Old 12th June 2009, 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Jase View Post
No one is forcing you to accept it. They are, however, preventing you from discriminating and bashing homosexuals. Which, biblically you shouldn't be doing anyway.

Considering 79% of this country identifies as Christian, the government is hardly "anti-Christian". And what does the 2nd Amendment have to do with it? How is that in anyway related?

Many conservative Christians want a theocracy. That is forcing your beliefs on the rest of the nation.
We aren't bashing homosexuals, we want them to go to heaven unlike the secular world who is leading them straight on the path to hell. So the only hate of homosexuals is from the secular world.

So what laws are being initiated to stop Christian bashing? Zero. The government wants to control what we believe, force us to accept homosexuality, and it won't be long when they'll try to force ministers to marry homosexuals! So your post is again false every way around.
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Originally Posted by peace4ever View Post
We aren't bashing homosexuals, we want them to go to heaven unlike the secular world who is leading them straight on the path to hell. So the only hate of homosexuals is from the secular world.

So what laws are being initiated to stop Christian bashing? Zero. The government wants to control what we believe, force us to accept homosexuality, and it won't be long when they'll try to force ministers to marry homosexuals! So your post is again false every way around.
Christians are the majority. They don't need protection. Please stop with the persecution complex.
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Originally Posted by peace4ever View Post
We aren't bashing homosexuals, we want them to go to heaven unlike the secular world who is leading them straight on the path to hell. So the only hate of homosexuals is from the secular world.
And how are they any different from the rest of the secular world? Why should we single them out for 'witnessing'?

So what laws are being initiated to stop Christian bashing? Zero. The government wants to control what we believe, force us to accept homosexuality, and it won't be long when they'll try to force ministers to marry homosexuals! So your post is again false every way around.
Gee, let's see... there's the first amendment, laws against hate crimes, laws against murder, rape, assault, harassment, stalking, and stealing. For starters. Why don't you go through that list and tell me how those laws don't protect Christians as well as a Muslim as well as a Jew?
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"Offense" is something TAKEN. No one MAKES anyone feel anything. IF we are offended by something, we CHOSE to be offended by it...

But I think that OFTEN, people confuse discussion with fighting. Disagreeing is not personal, it is not an attack, it is not disrespectful or flaming, it is not offensive per se. It ONLY means, "I disagree." Nothing more. Nothing less. It suggests NO emotional response whatsoever.

NO ONE is mandated to agree with anyone.

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Originally Posted by Godschild87 View Post
And how are they any different from the rest of the secular world? Why should we single them out for 'witnessing'?
Have you not made any posts at CF that call homosexuality, sin?
*head spinning*

By the way, they single themselves out by denying God's word
to say it's righteous morality. And it is witnessing to relay the
truth about this moral depravity - just like any other moral
subject in these forums.
When people say porn is fine, we witness that that is false, etc.

The problem here is that people make immorality their witness for
Christ. We'll be here to work against that type of falsity and
relay God's word on it - whoever it may be and whatever
the moral subject.

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Originally Posted by Jase View Post
Christians are the majority. They don't need protection. Please stop with the persecution complex.
Christians are not the majority -
they never have been.

As far as Jesus is concerned, He tells us otherwise:

21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.
22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’
23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

The Narrow Way


13 “Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it.
14 Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.

(that is, unless the writer of this book is lying about Jesus' words,
or... the translators botched it and this is all false & unreliable too.)
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Originally Posted by Nadiine View Post
By the way, they single themselves out by denying God's word
to say it's righteous morality. And it is witnessing to relay the
truth about this moral depravity - just like any other moral
subject in these forums.
When people say porn is fine, we witness that that is false, etc.
I don't think this has anything to do with witnessing. It's nothing more than self-righteous pride. You guys feel like you are doing God's work by condemning those who you disagree with.
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Originally Posted by Nadiine View Post
Christians are not the majority -
they never have been.
According to the most recent poll, 79% of Americans identify as Christian. How is that not a majority?
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Originally Posted by Nadiine View Post
Have you not made any posts at CF that call homosexuality, sin?
*head spinning*
Homosexual sex, yes, is sin. Homosexuality is not.
By the way, they single themselves out by denying God's word
to say it's righteous morality. And it is witnessing to relay the
truth about this moral depravity - just like any other moral
subject in these forums.
When people say porn is fine, we witness that that is false, etc.
Um... two wrongs do not make a right. We should be witnessing to those God has given us to witness to, not singling out certain groups to 'witness' to by shoving our ideas of morality down their throats. Relaying the truth about moral depravity shouldn't just be done, it needs the proper context, and that is what we as Christians should be giving to it rather than brazenly airing our opinions.

The problem here is that people make immorality their witness for
Christ. We'll be here to work against that type of falsity and
relay God's word on it - whoever it may be and whatever
the moral subject.
Despite the fact that some don't want to hear it?
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"Offense" is something TAKEN. No one MAKES anyone feel anything. IF we are offended by something, we CHOSE to be offended by it...

But I think that OFTEN, people confuse discussion with fighting. Disagreeing is not personal, it is not an attack, it is not disrespectful or flaming, it is not offensive per se. It ONLY means, "I disagree." Nothing more. Nothing less. It suggests NO emotional response whatsoever.

NO ONE is mandated to agree with anyone.

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Originally Posted by Godschild87 View Post
Homosexual sex, yes, is sin. Homosexuality is not.
Well God considers "lying with" any sexual contact sin - not just
the anal sex you mentioned before.

Um... two wrongs do not make a right. We should be witnessing to those God has given us to witness to, not singling out certain groups to 'witness' to by shoving our ideas of morality down their throats. Relaying the truth about moral depravity shouldn't just be done, it needs the proper context, and that is what we as Christians should be giving to it rather than brazenly airing our opinions.
Let's not pretend that we don't already know the regular
members in this thread and on CF who chronically flaunt homosexuality
as moral behaviour. They know us regularly, we know
them.
This isn't as if we're all brand new & just honing in on gays as if
some purposeful attack JUST on them.....

This isn't OUR idea of morality either, it's written and spelled out
clearly in both testaments. If you consider moral sin to be simply
a matter of personal opinion, then you shouldn't be bothering to
witness anything about it either way since it's mere opinion
with no support from God either way.

& lastly, this thread is just one of the many that I'm subscribed to.
I post on this one and many others around the forum, just becuz
I'm here or someone else is here, doesn't mean this is ALL they do
and the ONLY topic they post on or focus on in real life.

When people stop promoting sin in God's name, I'll stop refuting it.
(whatever the moral topic)
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Originally Posted by Jase View Post
According to the most recent poll, 79% of Americans identify as Christian. How is that not a majority?
*rolling eyes*

Yes, we know at one church recently that a partial birth
abortionist (who stated that PBA was moral)
and a murderer of a partial birth abortionists were both
professing Christians.

Matthew 7:19-21 (New American Standard Bible)
19"Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
20"So then, you will know them by their fruits.
21"Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.
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