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1st June 2009, 02:45 AM
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Reps: 46,761,942,255,770,040 (power: 46,761,942,255,786) | | Lets not forget there have been a number of cases where Down's syndrome and (I think) spina bifida patients have sued their obstetricians and PARENTS for allowing them to be born after their condition had been identified.
That's very odd. Shouldn't they get the death 'penalty' if they win the case then? I have a hard time seeing voluntarily continuing to live being compatible with suing someone for letting you be born.
Anyway, you're right that it;s not as simple as I thought. I would also take issue with the claim that "aborting healthy babies" is accurate when we are discussing foetuses with the listed conditions.
As you should, IF I was discussing babies with those conditions when I said that. Tiller did not just abort babies with those conditions, as I was pointing out when I used that phrase.
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1st June 2009, 02:49 AM
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Reps: 9,798,741,679,404 (power: 9,798,741,684) | | Originally Posted by jsn112  Bill Clinton did a great job of ignoring it and see where it has gotten us. ?
Actually, Bill Clinton was trying to mount a campaign against these terrorists in 1998, we launched a strike on Bin Laden and were within 15 minutes of having him but the Republicans didn't want to hear it because they were too preoccupied with Monica Lewinsky and tearing one of our nation's greatest presidents down. In fact, I seem to recall them accusing Clinton of "Wag the Dog" on both those strikes and on the war in Kosovo in 1999, and if there is one Muslim country where they absolutely love us to death it is Kosovo, and another is Albania. Name a Muslim country where Bush helped our relations. |
1st June 2009, 03:01 AM
| | Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.
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I remember that, and thinking "Canadian Bacon" was the movie they should have compared it to. Clinton may have done a lot of things, but faking a conflict is not one of them. |
1st June 2009, 03:04 AM
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Reps: 222,305,490,004,358,240 (power: 222,305,490,004,371) | | Originally Posted by jsn112 Also, the "right side of politics are more than happy to condemn the entirety of Islam as terrorists" is because they have already declare war on Christianity and the West.
Did anyone in America know much of anything about Islam prior to 9-11? I know I didn't. Did you know that for centuries Arab Muslims and Christians worshiped alongside one another?
Do you know why there is now tension between Christians and Muslims in the Middle East? Because of the prejudice and outright violence directed toward Muslims (at the hands of Christians) in Western culture. Thanks to the internet and television news and printed news media, Muslims in Arab nations have witnessed how Western Christianity treats its adherents and is afraid Arab Christians will be influenced by Western culture. Originally Posted by jsn112 It is in their Koran to kill "infidels," is it not?
The Koran states that believers in God should not seek alliances with disbelievers. Not disbelievers of Islam, mind you, but disbelievers of God. Muhammed told his people that if they are not received with peace by unbelievers, to kill them. This is no different than what God instructed Moses to tell the Israelites in the Old Testament of the Bible. Did God not tell Moses that he was going to slay all of the firstborn children of Egypt, while sparing the children of Israel? Does God not command, "thou shalt not suffer a witch to live"? Did God not command that anyone not honoring the Sabbath should be "put to death"?
There is no more violence in the pages of the Koran than in the Bible. The difference is that the Koran assures everlasting life for Muslims, Jews, Christians and anyone else who has faith in the one God. The Bible makes no such provisions for "outsiders". Or, at least that's how Christians have interpreted it. Muslim extremists are no more a fair or accurate representation of Islam than people like Eric Robert Rudolph or Paul Hill are of Christianity.
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1st June 2009, 03:14 AM
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They kicked that guy out of their organization for that-- the one weilding a club at the philly voting station is no longer a black panther. CNN Political Ticker: All politics, all the time Blog Archive - Justice Department drops charges in voter intimidation case - Blogs from CNN.com |
1st June 2009, 03:15 AM
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Evidence? Both of this violence against muslims in the West and it's affects on muslim/christian relations in the east. How does anything in the West compare to what happened to the Christians of Iraq after Saddam's regime fell? Or are they buying into propaganda?
The again, we're talking about a lot of the most prideful and thin skinned people on Earth. e.g. the cartoon riots. And yes, I know not all muslims are like that.
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1st June 2009, 03:29 AM
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Reps: 222,305,490,004,358,240 (power: 222,305,490,004,371) | | Originally Posted by Blackguard_ Evidence? Both of this violence against muslims in the West and it's affects on muslim/christian relations in the east. How does anything in the West compare to what happened to the Christians of Iraq after Saddam's regime fell?
Iraq has almost always been a predominantly Muslim nation. Christians are the minority. While that doesn't excuse persecution, it does tend to explain it. No different than the Witch Trials here in America. A perceived evil is brought to justice at the hands of the majority. Arab Muslim and Christian relations in Israel used to be better than they are present day. The again, we're talking about some of the most thin skinned people on Earth. e.g. the cartoon riots.
And Christians do not get offended when their faith is challenged or made fun of? Perhaps rioting is not the forte of most Christians, perhaps that is because the internet is a much more convenient outlet for venting whereas Muslims choose to direct their anger and offense in person. Perhaps everyone of faith should develop a thicker skin? Perhaps not even batting an eye at images poking fun at your religion is a sign of not being strong enough in the faith?
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1st June 2009, 03:40 AM
| | Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.
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Reps: 46,761,942,255,770,040 (power: 46,761,942,255,786) | | Iraq has almost always been a predominantly Muslim nation. Christians are the minority. While that doesn't excuse persecution, it does tend to explain it. No different than the Witch Trials here in America. A perceived evil is brought to justice at the hands of the majority.
Right, they're a minority religion in a sectarian power struggle. I don't see how this relates to alleged mistreatment in the West. Arab Muslim and Christian relations in Israel used to be better than they are present day.
I don't doubt it, what with things like the Chatilla massacre. Or what do you mean by "present day"? And Christians do not get offended when their faith is challenged or made fun of? Perhaps rioting is not the forte of most Christians, perhaps that is because the internet is a much more convenient outlet for venting whereas Muslims choose to direct their anger and offense in person. Perhaps everyone of faith should develop a thicker skin? Perhaps not even batting an eye at images poking fun at your religion is a sign of not being strong enough in the faith?
Of course they get offended, and no batting an eye at people poking fun of your religion is not being in faith. There is however a huge difference between peaceful protest and violent protest. Don't pretend they are equivalent.
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1st June 2009, 03:58 AM
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1st June 2009, 05:43 AM
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Reps: 178,751,386,065,373,056 (power: 0) | | What "certain factions" is that? Since you claim you are a Christian, why do you think Jesus described the last days as being like the days of Noah? What went on during the time of Noah? Homosexuals? Liberals? Lawlessness? What is it that in the last that is comparable to the time Noah?
Where does it say liberals, homosexuals or lawlessness had anything to do with the time of Noah? Also, the "right side of politics are more than happy to condemn the entirety of Islam as terrorists" is because they have already declare war on Christianity and the West.
"They" as in Islam, did no such thing. Thats my point. a tiny minority of Muslims are terrorist extremists, and yet people are quite happy to label all Muslims terrorists, as you yourself just did. My point is that this is EXACTLY the same as labelling all Christians terrorists because of the actions of this one murderer. It is in their Koran to kill "infidels," is it not? Who are the "infidels" the Koran kept mentioning?
Is it? Where does the Koran say its OK to kill infidels? I don't know the Koran very well. Maybe you'd be so good as to cite the specific sura to which you refer?  | | |
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