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Originally Posted by LJSGM View Post
For sure. In this sexually saturated society, if one is going to commit fornication, why not with another woman? It's much easier to find than a man that is willing to have sodomy with you.

Or are you talking about certain men that are not very desirable to women, having to resort to men because women won't give them the time of day?
Not sure who that is addressed to. But I was not talking about special men, just men. Whether believers 'desire' their husbands or not is secondary anyhow. If a woman denies a man, she breaks the contract, and if he finds another woman it is anything but adultery. For her, however, it would be, unless she was celebrate the rest of her life!
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Sounds like you just want to blame someone other then yourself, so you can feel justified by it somehow by saying "its not my fault." As was said earlier in this thread, Adam tried the same thing and it did not work.
False. Since I am not a homo, it is not my fault! Doesn't get simpler than that. Looking at the homos in Sodom, however, and the advanced sin state areas of today, I see that women being extremely selfish, and also lesbians, etc is a root cause of taking away the needs of men.


Adam did try to pass the blame, and he was right. The woman had a part to play in the thing. You never noticed?? She was a root cause of that sin as well. Fess up.

you cant blame women for a guy's homosexuality, that something totally up to the man, no woman can make a guy homosexual. It doesnt work that way from what I understand.
That is false. If women did not narrow the pool and deny men their needs, many men, would not be driven to look elsewhere for their needs. A woman cannot assume she is not needed, and just do as she lusts, and wants, without impacting mankind. God only made so many of each. Also, women are responsible for promoting same sex relations, and ungodly sex, or lack of it. Therefore they are of course to blame. No more will they point the finger at men!! They are guilty.

I have gone years and years without the pleasure of a woman, and never once did I have any desire to try it with a man, the idea repulses me actually.
So??? It repulses me as well. But I am realistic, in that I realize that there is a shortage of women for men. An imbalance. Therfore those less grounded than us, will end up in homosexuality. Some men also do not have a great sex drive, either that, or feel that it must be unnaturally supressed for some silly religious reason. I would not hire you to babysit..sorry.
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Originally Posted by northernyogi View Post
I can't even believe that someone would put forth the idea that a man would turn homosexual because his wife is withholding sex. I served in the military for 13 years 2 of which I was married. I went on several 6 month deployments without my wife and not once did I get tempted to have sex wih another male. That is totally out in left field and if your having those kinds of thoughts, I'm thinking that you have bigger issues than a lack of intimcy with your wife.
No idea what you are talking about. Did I say I had a wife?? Or that I was tempted that way??? No. Try to pay attention.
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Do you have evidence that dying from something is what makes it a need?

Are you actually suggesting that food and water are not needs?


Not in the case of a man's life, unless you turn the man off in death! The stove is part of our life, and can't be turned off. Any more than the brain can be turned off, or seeing, or eating.

God is your life, not a steady supply of sex.
And I would not be the least bit surprised that if God is one's strength, a
sexless existence won't phase them one iota.



In the case of many women, apparently they lack that wisdom still. Sex is a need for men

Again, please provide evidence that anyone has died from a lack of sex.

It would appear you still need to work on sharpening the line you perceive
between that which is a “need” and that which is a “want.”
It's not easy, I
know that, but it's worth the effort.


PS: Please don't confuse the absence of sex in one's life with their value as
a person. You are precious in God's eyes, regardless of whether or not you are
engaged in a physical relationship with anyone. Don't let physical activity of the
romantic variety be a gauge as to your worth as a human being, because there
is no connection whatsoever.



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Are you actually suggesting that food and water are not needs?
No. I am suggesting that love and sex also are.



God is your life, not a steady supply of sex.
That is like saying God is your life, drinking water is not your life. He has given us a life, however, with certain things provided for. He giveth food to all flesh, for example. He made man male and female for example. To belittle sex, and withhold it, trying to justify it with religious cover is dishonest, I would think.


And I would not be the least bit surprised that if God is one's strength, a
sexless existence won't phase them one iota.

There are some eunuchs, yes. Most, of course are not, were never meant to be, and never will be. Some do a prison fast for a month and more as well, does that mean you also should??



Again, please provide evidence that anyone has died from a lack of sex.
Again, provide proof that death is the criteria of a need? Children need, I read in one study a while ago, love, most of all. More than a big house, fancy toys, the greatest diet, etc. I would think that love is needed in men and women as well, in different ways. For men, sex is a major part, to say the least, of the way they know they are loved.

Can you show me anyone that dies as a result of not getting saved, and getting God in their life!!?? Gottcha! Will you say that is not a need also now?


It would appear you still need to work on sharpening the line you perceive
between that which is a “need” and that which is a “want.”
It's not easy, I
know that, but it's worth the effort.
Hopefully, you are starting to see what actually needed sharpening by now. Women may not escapee the blame. Sorry.

PS: Please don't confuse the absence of sex in one's life with their value as
a person. You are precious in God's eyes, regardless of whether or not you are
engaged in a physical relationship with anyone. Don't let physical activity of the
romantic variety be a gauge as to your worth as a human being, because there
is no connection whatsoever.
Thanks. I am sure we men try to do all that, if we happen to be in a sex valley. We also should not let riches, or other things be the gauge. So if you live end up in a tent, and eating once a day, and wearing tattered clothes, and having no money, or job, and find maybe yourself handicapped, and somewhat disfigured as well, as well, etc, make sure you realize that you also are loved. And of great value.

Meanwhile, we all ought to try to not be so selfish, and accept that men need sex, as God has provided for clearly in the word. No withholding! Yes, women also need to feel love, in a different way, and men should try to see that is also done. But don't think your sex desire is ours. Or that your lack of needing it and ability to do without it is supposed to apply to men, No. Vive la difference!

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Dad,

At any time in your life have you not had a woman available to you for sex? During that time, did you develop a desire to have sex with men?
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Originally Posted by dad View Post

Meanwhile, we all ought to try to not be so selfish, and accept that men need sex, as God has provided for clearly in the word.

In addition to answering manchambo's question addressed
to you in post #36, could you also provide Scripture that indicates
that "men need sex"? Thanks in advance!




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You are aware that sex outside the marriage bed is fornication? That includes premarital sex.

Are you suggesting that women should be more open to marrying any man that wants them?

I for one am very unclear about what you are trying to imply.


As far as temptation goes, Eve was tempted and sinned, sure, she was held responsible as well as the serpent. Adam sinned as well, and the scriptures say that it was through Adam that sin entered the world.

Women should submit to their husbands, not as "a duty" but what comes naturally through loving her husband, naturally she should think of him before herself, in her heart. It is the same for a man, the world is full of men that do not give the loving affection that a woman needs to become sexual towards him. It is a complicated matter, which came first, the chicken or the egg? If a man does not show love and affection towards his wife, he causes her to be tempted to sin. If a woman does not care about a man's sexual needs and forsakes him, then perhaps she causes temptation in his life to sin as well. They are both still responsible for their own sin. He is not excused from his sin because his wife caused temptation. It is still his choice and if he is led by the Holy Spirit instead of the flesh, he WILL not fall into sin because he is no longer a SLAVE to sin and the desires of the flesh no matter how much his flesh tempts him.

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At any time in your life have you not had a woman available to you for sex? During that time, did you develop a desire to have sex with men?
I have no women at the moment. No, I thankfully, have zero desire for men. So?
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[quote=LJSGM;51874939]You are aware that sex outside the marriage bed is fornication? That includes premarital sex. [quote] Are you aware you have no idea what you are talking about?

Are you suggesting that women should be more open to marrying any man that wants them?
No, unless it is between that and another woman..

As far as temptation goes, Eve was tempted and sinned, sure, she was held responsible as well as the serpent. Adam sinned as well, and the scriptures say that it was through Adam that sin entered the world.
Right, Eve didn't count in that reckoning. But it was actually through Eve, of course. She was the weak link, that led Adam to sin. But he was still to blame. And she was NOT without blame! She was also man. woman.

Women should submit to their husbands, not as "a duty"
False! Yes as a duty. Get over it. That is bible, you may not withhold, period. End of story. Really.


but what comes naturally through loving her husband, naturally she should think of him before herself, in her heart. It is the same for a man, the world is full of men that do not give the loving affection that a woman needs to become sexual towards him. It is a complicated matter, which came first, the chicken or the egg?
Nonsense! It is simple. A woman may NOT withhold. Show me any verse that says otherwise. You can't. I assure you.



If a man does not show love and affection towards his wife, he causes her to be tempted to sin.
Tough. They still need supper, sex, and to send the kids off to school. Get over it.



If a woman does not care about a man's sexual needs and forsakes him, then perhaps she causes temptation in his life to sin as well.
False! If she withholds it is no sin to find it elsewhere that I can see.



They are both still responsible for their own sin. He is not excused from his sin because his wife caused temptation.
What sin is this, now?? No idea what you are trying to get at. Quit picking daisies, and get to the point.

It is still his choice and if he is led by the Holy Spirit instead of the flesh, he WILL not fall into sin because he is no longer a SLAVE to sin and the desires of the flesh no matter how much his flesh tempts him.
What sin??? If the woman withholds, she is the sinner. Period. If you mean sodomy, I doubt that would come in a Christian marriage, as a rule. But the crown of the wife, if laid down, might be picked up by another woman!
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