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31st May 2009, 11:14 AM
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Reps: 442,931,412,538 (power: 442,931,422) | | Doing some digging- the infamous CO2 concentration in the atmosphere 'hockey stick graph'- a complete fraud and it gets worse from there.
The only fraud is done by people repeating baseless unscientific claims like this without even an attempt at backing up their statements. Hockey stick controversy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia In a paper on 9 September 2008, Mann and colleagues published an updated reconstruction of Earth surface temperature for the past two millennia. [61] This reconstruction used a more diverse dataset that was significantly larger than the original tree-ring study. Similarly to the original study, this work found that recent increases in northern hemisphere surface temperature are anomalous relative to at least the past 1300 years, and that this result is robust to the inclusion or exclusion of the tree-ring dataset.
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31st May 2009, 01:09 PM
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Reps: 949,872,336,407,831,552 (power: 949,872,336,407,843) | | Originally Posted by SOAD I dont believe your comment. Especially when you fail to document quotes.
Are you accusing me of being a liar?
Do you believe that 2007 was the first time that the "Northwest Passage" was ever opened up, too?
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31st May 2009, 01:17 PM
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Reps: 1,495,147,958,621,932,544 (power: 1,495,147,958,621,946) | | Originally Posted by SOAD I dont believe your comment. Especially when you fail to document quotes.
This took all of 30 seconds to find. Breitbart.tv Al Gore Tells German Audience ‘Entire North Polar Ice Cap Will Be Gone in Five Years’
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31st May 2009, 01:49 PM
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Reps: 949,872,336,407,831,552 (power: 949,872,336,407,843) | | Originally Posted by Steve Petersen
Why did you have to do his homework?
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31st May 2009, 02:09 PM
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Reps: 17,648,511,778,771,420 (power: 17,648,511,778,782) | | Originally Posted by Panzerkampfwagen Why did you have to do his homework?
Homework? Did you actually watch that video? That was the only reference I could find where it is claimed that Gore said Al Gore said that the entire North Pole ice cap will be gone by 2013
as you claim. That video is unclear due to a loud foreign voice drowning out Gore's voice. However, it is clear that Gore said " may well be" and not " will" like you have stated
I ask you again, please present clear proof that Gore said what you claimed.
It is too bad that you allow others to attempt to do your homework because they made you and them look bad. | 
31st May 2009, 02:25 PM
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Reps: 17,648,511,778,771,420 (power: 17,648,511,778,782) | | Originally Posted by Panzerkampfwagen Are you accusing me of being a liar?
Do you believe that 2007 was the first time that the "Northwest Passage" was ever opened up, too?
I am accusing you of presenting false information. Does that make you a liar? Not necessarily. You could just be grossly uninformed and too lazy to find the real truth. Only you know if you are a liar. | 
31st May 2009, 06:26 PM
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Reps: 949,872,336,407,831,552 (power: 949,872,336,407,843) | | as you claim. That video is unclear due to a loud foreign voice drowning out Gore's voice. However, it is clear that Gore said "may well be" and not "will" like you have stated
So you don't understand what he said but you really do understand.
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1st June 2009, 12:55 AM
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Reps: 56,043,651,782,219,128 (power: 56,043,651,782,230) | | Originally Posted by Panzerkampfwagen Why did you have to do his homework?
Backing up a claim that I made is not someone elses' homework. I have to be responsible for my facts, so I have to be responsible. If you refuse to be responsible for your own opinions, then, yes, it's not your job.
You don't like having to provide proof of your misrepresentation?
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1st June 2009, 08:34 AM
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Reps: 17,648,511,778,771,420 (power: 17,648,511,778,782) | | Originally Posted by Panzerkampfwagen So you don't understand what he said but you really do understand.
Considering you have not addressed my posts regarding the video. You have misrepresented Al Gore's comment and have refused to seek the truth.
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1st June 2009, 12:53 PM
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Reps: 17,648,511,778,771,420 (power: 17,648,511,778,782) | | Originally Posted by Steve Petersen The difference between 'will be' and 'may well be' qualifies as a lie?
It is a misrepresentation of what was actually said. After I have brought the misrepresentation into the light, those who perpetuated the misrepresentation have ignored my questions.
Do you believe that it is the same when somebody says that something "will happen" to saying "may well happen"? |  | | | Thread Tools | | | | Display Modes | Linear Mode | | | |