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Old 28th May 2009, 01:06 PM
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Why do professing Christians hate the righteousness of God so much?

(thank you to Ms. Beezy for permission to repost this thread in the right forum.) There appears to be a certain volume of professing Christians that seem to hate the righteousness of God. How is that possible? How can professing Christians who claim to love God, promote the killing of the unborn in all stages of life including the killing of them during birth, homosexual relationships and/or "marriages", Homosexual ministers etc.?

James 4:4 "Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God."

1 Corinthians 3:16-17 "Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are."

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God."

Romans 1:24-25 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

Matthew 7:21 "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven."

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Old 28th May 2009, 08:16 PM
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People hate God's righteousness because a huge portion of the Christian community isn't saved simple as that. These people are what Jesus referred to as tares among the wheat. You don't know whose a tare and whose a stalk of wheat until they both have time to mature so the church allows them to grow together for the time being.

Those that are truly converted love God's righteousness and holiness. Those that aren't, don't.

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Originally Posted by CTyer View Post
(thank you to Ms. Beezy for permission to repost this thread in the right forum.) There appears to be a certain volume of professing Christians that seem to hate the righteousness of God. How is that possible? How can professing Christians who claim to love God, promote the killing of the unborn in all stages of life including the killing of them during birth, homosexual relationships and/or "marriages", Homosexual ministers etc.?

James 4:4 "Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God."

1 Corinthians 3:16-17 "Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are."

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God."

Romans 1:24-25 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

Matthew 7:21 "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven."

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We don't hate God's righteousness, we hate the misinformed opinions about what the righteousness means from his legalistic followers.

Homosexuality is not a sin. We are not Israelites from 2000 BC who were busy trying to follow the pagan fertility rituals of the Egyptians and Caananites. Times have changed - so has the interpretation of the Bible.
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Originally Posted by Jase View Post
Homosexuality is not a sin. We are not Israelites from 2000 BC who were busy trying to follow the pagan fertility rituals of the Egyptians and Caananites. Times have changed - so has the interpretation of the Bible.
How can you interpret the Bible differently when it comes right out and says that homosexuality is wrong?

"For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet.” (Romans 1:26-27)

The Bible says homosexuality is wrong. It might not be a popular viewpoint nowadays, but as Christians we are not supposed to follow what's popular in the world. Instead we are supposed to follow the word of God. We shouldn't just toss things out of the Bible because they don't go along with modern PC belief systems.
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The Bible does not say that homosexuality is wrong. The passage that you quoted from Romans describes a group of heterosexuals who went against their basic nature and engaged in same-sex behavior during ritual orgies.
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It is because of unrepentant sin. Humans are naturally wicked and repugnant creatures since the fall. They cannot hope to see salvation unless the are born again by the grace of God that is manifest in faith in the Lord Jesus Christ as Lord and savior.

They don't understand because their will is in bondage to wickedness so they follow their father the devil.


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42 Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and I am here. I came not of my own accord, but he sent me. 43 Why do you not understand what I say? It is because you cannot bear to hear my word. 44 You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and has nothing to do with the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies. 45 But because I tell the truth, you do not believe me. 46 Which one of you convicts me of sin? If I tell the truth, why do you not believe me? 47 Whoever is of God hears the words of God. The reason why you do not hear them is that you are not of God.”

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The Bible does not say that homosexuality is wrong. The passage that you quoted from Romans describes a group of heterosexuals who went against their basic nature and engaged in same-sex behavior during ritual orgies.
The bible says that those who practice homosexuality will not inherit the kingdom of God.

1 Corinthians 6:9-11 ESV
9 Or do you not know that the unrighteouswill not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality,10 nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

1 Timothy 1:8-11 ESV
8 Now we know that the law is good, if one uses it lawfully, 9 understanding this, that the law is not laid down for the just but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who strike their fathers and mothers, for murderers, 10 the sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality, enslavers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine, 11 in accordance with the gospel of the glory of the blessed God with which I have been entrusted.


The truth is that sinners must repent of their sins and trust in Christ as their Lord and savior or they cannot escape hell.
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Originally Posted by AmyGlen View Post
How can you interpret the Bible differently when it comes right out and says that homosexuality is wrong?

"For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet.” (Romans 1:26-27)

The Bible says homosexuality is wrong. It might not be a popular viewpoint nowadays, but as Christians we are not supposed to follow what's popular in the world. Instead we are supposed to follow the word of God. We shouldn't just toss things out of the Bible because they don't go along with modern PC belief systems.
Are you aware that Paul was referring to fertility rituals when citing that verse, and was not referring to committed same-sex relationships as we know the today, since the concept was foreign to them?

Even many conservative jews are moving to change the interpretation of the homosexuality verses, because the hebrew doesn't condemn what we know of us homosexuality.

The Bible does not say homosexuality is wrong, it says a certain practice done by men, in the context of which the Bible was written was wrong. Paul was not talking to people who have an attraction to members of the same-sex.
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Originally Posted by Jase View Post
Are you aware that Paul was referring to fertility rituals when citing that verse, and was not referring to committed same-sex relationships as we know the today, since the concept was foreign to them?

Even many conservative jews are moving to change the interpretation of the homosexuality verses, because the hebrew doesn't condemn what we know of us homosexuality.

The Bible does not say homosexuality is wrong, it says a certain practice done by men, in the context of which the Bible was written was wrong. Paul was not talking to people who have an attraction to members of the same-sex.

Those who confess the Jewish faith are people who deny Christ is Lord, and cannot go to heaven unless they do.

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3 and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you heard was coming and now is in the world already.

The bible says that those who practice homosexuality will not inherit the kingdom of God. It is not possible to be an unrepentant homosexual and go to heaven. The bible is clear on this. If you are a homosexual you need to repent take up your cross and follow Christ.
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Originally Posted by DD2008 View Post
The bible says that those who practice homosexuality will not inherit the kingdom of God.

1 Corinthians 6:9-11 ESV
9 Or do you not know that the unrighteouswill not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality,10 nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

1 Timothy 1:8-11 ESV
8 Now we know that the law is good, if one uses it lawfully, 9 understanding this, that the law is not laid down for the just but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who strike their fathers and mothers, for murderers, 10 the sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality, enslavers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine, 11 in accordance with the gospel of the glory of the blessed God with which I have been entrusted.


The truth is that sinners must repent of their sins and trust in Christ as their Lord and savior or they cannot escape hell.
Considering the word homosexuality didn't even exist when that written, it is not translated as what we understand as a homosexual.
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