When did the disciples of Jesus first receive salvation?
I would like to know your thoughts on this and scriptural reasons why. Thanks for taking the time to respond...
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Just a quick one Joey as I am about to dash to work.
I believe John 20 reveals the salvation of the disciples. I believe they would have gone to heaven if they had died before then as per any OT saint, but I don't believe they were born again until John 20.
Why? This instance of the reception of the Holy Spirit appears to be a new birth experience: the disciples encounter the risen Christ for the first time and according to Romans 10, you cannot be born again (saved) unless you believe with your heart God raised Jesus from the dead. This was the first time the disciples believed with their hearts that God raised Jesus from the dead.
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In John 15 Jesus told the deciples that they were clean by the Words spoken by Him, and they were to abide in the vine.
God Bless!
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It feels like chaos but I believe
You're up to something bigger than me
Larger than life something Heavenly" -Sanctus Real
I believe that the disciples were saved the moment they acknowledge Jesus as the true and living Son of God and began believing on Him (including Judas - thus one of the reasons I am not OSAS )
John 6:66-69 From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him. Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away? Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life. And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God.
Act 16:30,31 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved? And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
All the benefits of salvation (baptism with the Holy Spirit and things of that nature) came afterwards, but the moment they believed in Jesus, even while he was alive, brought them salvation.
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Another passage just came to my mind. This one is concerning Zacchaeus:
And Zacchaeus stood, and said unto the Lord; Behold, Lord, the half of my goods I give to the poor; and if I have taken any thing from any man by false accusation, I restore him fourfold. And Jesus said unto him, This day is salvation come to this house, forsomuch as he also is a son of Abraham. For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost. (Luke 19:8-10)
Salvation did not come to Zacchaeus's house AFTER the cross but actually BEFORE the cross, simply because he believed in Jesus and put some action to his faith.
__________________ Let the Scriptures Determine Your Theology, Do Not Read Your Theology into Scripture.
Another passage just came to my mind. This one is concerning Zacchaeus:
And Zacchaeus stood, and said unto the Lord; Behold, Lord, the half of my goods I give to the poor; and if I have taken any thing from any man by false accusation, I restore him fourfold. And Jesus said unto him, This day is salvation come to this house, forsomuch as he also is a son of Abraham. For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost. (Luke 19:8-10)
Salvation did not come to Zacchaeus's house AFTER the cross but actually BEFORE the cross, simply because he believed in Jesus and put some action to his faith.
The restitution of stolen money was required under Jewish law.
Jewish law was a legitimate path to salvation.
ETA: I'm trying to augment Your point, not argue with it.
God Bless!
__________________ "Whatever You're doing inside of me
It feels like chaos but I believe
You're up to something bigger than me
Larger than life something Heavenly" -Sanctus Real
Just a quick one Joey as I am about to dash to work.
I believe John 20 reveals the salvation of the disciples. I believe they would have gone to heaven if they had died before then as per any OT saint, but I don't believe they were born again until John 20.
Why? This instance of the reception of the Holy Spirit appears to be a new birth experience: the disciples encounter the risen Christ for the first time and according to Romans 10, you cannot be born again (saved) unless you believe with your heart God raised Jesus from the dead. This was the first time the disciples believed with their hearts that God raised Jesus from the dead.
Thanks Zzub John 20 is where I have been looking at too. Whats interesting is that Jesus gave them the Holy Spirit right then and there, and this was before "the Promise of the Father" or the "Spirit of Truth" was "fully" come. If the disciples received the HS that day in John 20, what was it they received at Pentecost? They had received the person of the HS, but had not received the power and demonstration of the HS. This later came at pentecost and can be referred to as the baptism in Pneuma Hagion.
The point at hand is that it seems we receive a "person" at conversion, but are not baptized later into a person but into the "power" of that person.
Luke 24:49 KJV
(49) And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.
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