Human and Chimpanzee Common Ancestry

This is a general debate invitation on the subject of Human and Chimpanzee ancestry. Points of interest could include:

• ERVs
• Hominid fossils
• DNA comparisons
• Comparative anatomy
• YEC, ID and TOE arguments

Just throwing out a line to see if I get a bite.

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You've tried it all before and failed miserably.

What do you think you would accomplish this time around?

Do you really think repeating the same arguments that you've been using for 6-7 years now will suddenly be valid if you just keep repeating them?

For those interested, try seeing Mark in action:


'Debate' topics for Mark Kemnedy - CARM.ORG - Christian Discussion Forums

Does Human Brain Evolution Answer Darwin's Null Hypothesis? - CARM.ORG - Christian Discussion Forums



Note the repetitive arguments, the refusal to admit error, the Dunning-Kruger effect...

Hopefully someone is paying attention on this thread. I'm going to repost what I wrote on the other thread as it still applies (I am going to paraphrase as the above is not a complete sentence):
[Do] 'Human and Chimpanzee' [share a] 'Common Ancestry' [?]
The answer is unequivocally YES.
Please allow me to explain, trust me it will be brief. Humans are multicellular, vertebrate, mammalian, tetrapods with bilateral symmetry. Unless there is any doubt about that then humans, chimps, lemurs, cats, dogs, sharks, birds, dinosaurs, bats, and anything else with two eyes a nose a mouth and a spinal cord all share a common ancestor.
The question should read when not if.
But that would move the debate squarely into the realm of science.
The fact of decent with modification through natural selection does not require belief. Ask anyone with MRSA (Methicillin Resistant Staphylococcus Aureus) and they (or at least their doctor) will tell you that natural selection is trying to kill them. (go look it up) If anyone thinks that they can prove that this is not the case, please share it with me and I might cut you into the money I get from Sweden when I share it with the rest of the world.

To really see me in a debate rather then being assailed by an angry mob of flamers try these actual formal debates:

I destroyed the ERV argument in this one, I have never seen an evolution argument fall so hard or so fast:

mark kennedy v. Loudmouth: Do chimps and humans share a common ancestor?

Same arguments used here but I had no idea at this point just how weak the argument was

Genetic evidence and evolution

The great Piltdown hoax was a hoot, my opponent couldn't even finish the debate. He ran out of material so fast he never managed a single substantive argument.

Formal Debate - Piltdown Man Should Not Be Cited By Creationists

This one was truly sad, I had no idea just how disoriented Theistic Evolutionists were with regards to Christian Theology until I destroyed this one's arguments. I shamed him into the debate and I'm almost sorry I did, I would like to think that TE is more then atheism in sheep's clothing.

Accepting human evolution is not a rejection of orthodoxy

You will not find these kind of formal debates between SLP and creationists because he argues using fallacious ad hominem attacks from his ivory tower.

I'm sure you are a brilliant guy professor, it's a shame you don't have the courage of your convictions. If you did you would rush to put my oft repeated arguments down once and for all. There is a reason why I prefer one on one formal debates, it's because my opponent can't hide behind his minions who attain credibility through insults, flames and spam tactics. That is also the reason that actual scientists prefer to let the minions do the actual debating.

The invitation stands and I would love to finally corner you on the issues you manage to bury under the avalanche of fallacious debate tactics evolutionists delight in. Not one of the CARM debaters would accept a formal debate but why should they, you can't be held accountable if you never really take a stand on real world issues.

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Mark,

Still taking debates? If so:

1. As part of the debate, are you willing to prove with scientific rigor that the Christian God exists?
2. If not agreeing to #1, are you able to come up with a more plausible naturalistic explanation for human origins?

I can offer some arguments for that but what I'm most interested in is human origins from a scientific viewpoint. What you are suggesting is philosophical and while it interests me I don't think that the issue of God's existance is a primary issue.

I can tell you that the existance of God is never in question from the point of view I'm arguing from. Many of the same arguments I use with secular scientists work equally well when debating Theistic Evolutionists.

I'm intriqued by your approach and as I recall arguments for God's existance has always been a part of classic Christian Apologetics. It is the naturalistic assumptions of TOE I find most objectionable about it.

We can talk about this approach but you'll have to clarify the questions you are posing.

Maybe you would be interested in browsing this debate to get some idea of the kind of an argument that works 29+ Evidences for Macroevolution
The Scientific Case for Common Descent

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Liar. And you've been corrected on this a number of times. Repeating arguments shown to be false is your MO however, so not surprising.

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(The Library of Alexandria) questioned the permanence of the stars, but did not question the justice of slavery - Carl Sagan in Cosmos

I'd be happy to discuss this with you Mark. If its a discussion you are interested in... if you are only interested in the automatic gainsaying of anything I have to say, I'd rather save both our time.

So, what do you say?

You quit when you ran out of arguments and started making these bizarre equivocations with the lunar landing being thought a hoax. Piltdown should be cited by Creationists and my argument was simply that the Taung Child is a similar hoax. When you were confronted with it you quit the debate unconditionally and the truth of what I say is in the debate thread.

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No I'm seriously interested in what you have to say. I would be interested in what you have to say about my previous debates, the one proposed and Chimpanzee/human ancestry if you care to pursue the topic.

I'm fishing for a formal debate but I would be interested in your thoughts on the subject. This is a casual discussion forum, speak your mind LightHorseman.

BTW, what is the deal with '40,000' men and woman redefining happiness? I'm something of a philosophy buff and the question I like to prime philosophy discussions is 'What is the happy life'. Based on that answer the next question is, 'how then should people live'?

At any rate, as long as you state your views and I feel your at least considering a formal debate I'll be interested in what you have to say.

Kind regards,
Mark

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