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feeling disconnected with reality

Whats up with this feeling? I used to not be this way, I used to feel one with Gods creation but its as if I have somehow been plucked outside of the living world and separated from all of my feelings and emotions.

Everything seems dead.........This is hard to explain and this is the best way that I know how to put it.

Is this an indication that the Spirit of the Lord departed from me? Maybe I am right and God really did abandon me to myself because this is exactly the way I would imagine it to feel if his Holy Spirit did cease to strive with a person.
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Robert,
I know those type feelings all too well ,I felt disconected,damned and without hope , an empty shell and everything seemed dark,dark dark and my memories of that whole time,seem dark.I thought I had died the second death,even while my empty shell of a body was still walking.I thought Jesus was furious with me and would never have mercy on me again or ever help me again.
This was all so totally totally wrong,it was all terror and ocd.It was not the truth.
I was in the palm of Jesus hand being protected by Him the whole time.
I was decieved and since I thought Jesus was furious with me and always would be for eternity,and I was helpless and hopeless and alone in the world, with the wrath of God on me,naturally my brain could not hold up under all this terror ,so things in the natural were reflecting what was going on in my brain, feeling dead and an empty shell,extreme darkness,disconnected and feeling unreal,this all seemed to confirm my terror,But But Robert I was wrong , I was deceived.
In truth Jesus had not cast me out,instead He was protecting me.Even my body was not holding up under the weight of it all.But I was wrong, and you are wrong.Jesus was with me .He had not cast me out.
My flesh was in terror , my brain was in terror,but my spirit was safe.
My mind had to be renewed.The ocd had deceived me.
I posted this in another thread for you Robert but I will post it here as well because I really want it to help you,I want you to know that I went through hell, living hell and came out of it and you will too Robert,God is going to bring you out of this.Just keep hold of the tiniest hope that you are wrong,hold onto that hope.The bible says now abideth faith hope and love ,but the greatest of these is love.So hope abides,so keep hoping, and healing will come.
Robert,
I know that feeling unforgivable every day is horrible, I think it is the worst thing a person can go through.The feelings seem insurmountable.
However God can and will heal you from those feelings.
Even though the feelings made the scripture verses so hard to understand and ocd tried to find reasons why the verses did not apply,yet the verse Jesus said that all that the Father gives to Me will come to Me and He that cometh to Me I will in no wise cast out stands true without conditions and will never pass away or become null and void.
The tormenting feelings are horrible and excruitating I know but they will pass away.
Also Jesus said all things are possible with God and come to Me all ye that labour and are heavy laden and I will give you rest.
Jesus also said He that believeth in Me hath everlasting life, no conditions, and Jesus is Truth, Jesus said I am the Way and the truth and the life.
Jesus can and will heal your feelings and emotions and your memories and your heart,Jesus makes all things new and Jesus heals the broken hearted and Jesus sets at liberty them who are bruised and Jesus sets the captives free and Jesus promised to give good things to those who ask Him.
My heart goes out to you Robert ,I suffered with terror and torment for over two years and it nearly totally wiped me out and was ruining and destroying me and I thought I was ruined and destroyed forever, but Jesus is healing me, putting me back together and making all things new.
I was not halfway in hell and fighting to keep myself out like some people had told me , and which had me so scared becuase I thought I did not have the ability ,or strength ,or faith to keep myself out,nor did I have the abilty to fight this on my own,or to make the terror and suffering end nor to get back up on my own ,nor to restore my own soul, or give myself faith.The truth was Jesus had already died for me and was holding me in the palm of His hand and protecting me the whole time,I was not halfway to hell,I was in the loving hands of Jesus.
I was holding on to the the teeniest tiniest hope that I was wrong and Jesus would restore me, I would just weep and say Jesus help me,Jesus please heal me,or Jesus please help my unbelief.
But Jesus was holding me in the palm of His hand all along.
Jesus takes us under His wings and protects us.
Jesus restores our soul and heals the broken hearted.
Jesus never crushes a bruised reed or snuffs out a smoking flax.
Jesus makes all things new.
Only Jesus
Jesus invites all to come and promises rest.
Jesus will never let you go Robert ,never cast you out,never never never.
Jesus blessyou
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Feelings is not Faith.

Feelings are twisted and decieved in many different ways, earthly and Spiritual (warfare).

Noone as a Christian should ever go by their feelings ever, OCD or not.

A person will find themselves trapped and decieved very easy.

Many people go by their feelings, no where in His Inspired Word does He say go by feelings, instead it was clear that we shouldnt.

Trust in Him not your emotions. Emotions are a part of our hurt and pain many times.
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Originally Posted by Jesuslovesme29 View Post
Feelings is not Faith.

Feelings are twisted and decieved in many different ways, earthly and Spiritual (warfare).

Noone as a Christian should ever go by their feelings ever, OCD or not.

A person will find themselves trapped and decieved very easy.

Many people go by their feelings, no where in His Inspired Word does He say go by feelings, instead it was clear that we shouldnt.

Trust in Him not your emotions. Emotions are a part of our hurt and pain many times.


Ok but please explain to me why when I was living in so much sin I did not experience any of this? I wasnt depressed, I didnt feel disconnected...etc.

Im not saying I was better off because I know that I wasnt but I always thought when someone gets saved things get better not worse.
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I have a few sriptures on God's forgivness Robert that I think will help you.

Neh. 9:17 (NKJV)
They refused to obey,
And they were not mindful of Your wonders
That You did among them.
But they hardened their necks,
And in their rebellion
They appointed a leader
To return to their bondage.
But You are God,
Ready to pardon,
Gracious and merciful,
Slow to anger,
Abundant in kindness,
And did not forsake them.

Psalm 25:11 (NKJV)
For Your name's sake, O Lord,
Pardon my iniquity, for it is great.

Psalm 130:4 (NKJV)
But there is forgiveness with You,
That You may be feared.

Isaiah 55:7 (NKJV)
Let the wicked forsake his way,
And the unrighteous man his thoughts;
Let him return to the Lord,
And He will have mercy on him;
And to our God,
For He will abundantly pardon.

Jeremiah 33:8 (NKJV)
I will cleanse them from all their iniquity by which they have sinned against Me, and I will pardon all their iniquities by which they have sinned and by which they have transgressed against Me.

Luke 23:34 (NKJV)
Then Jesus said,"Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they do." And they divided His garments and cast lots.

Ephes. 1:7 (NKJV)
In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace

1 John 1:9 (NKJV)
If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Acts 26:18 (NKJV)
to open their eyes, in order to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who are sanctified by faith in Me.'

Jesus loves you Robert, He longs to forgive and save you, God be with you Robert.



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Ok but please explain to me why when I was living in so much sin I did not experience any of this? I wasnt depressed, I didnt feel disconnected...etc.

Im not saying I was better off because I know that I wasnt but I always thought when someone gets saved things get better not worse.
Not exactly, when you come to the Lord the devil is going to do all he can to get you to doubt in the saving power of Jesus, and he will win if you let him tell you what the Bible says. When I came back to the Lord a few months ago, I was a drug addict, addicted to porn, and all kinds of sin, but you know what? God has delivered me from all of it, I'm not saying that I'm not struggling in the battle over sin, we all are! But thank God that our forgiveness is not based on our battle with sin, it is based on the righteousness of Christ that has been imputed on all who believe on Him for salvation!

James 1:12 "Blessed is the man who endures temptation; for when he has been approved, he will receive the crown of life which the Lord has promised to those who love Him"

The temptation you are facing now is to disbelieve in the power of Christ to save all who come to Him, do not believe this lie!

Someone once told me that when the devil tries to throw condemnation my way, just say "smile this is harmless temptation, temptation is attempted deception. The attempted deception is to disbelieve that Jesus died for the sins of the world. And "the sins of the world" must include my every sin. So I will not be tricked. Through Jesus' death, God forgives my every sin.

The only goal and purpose you have in this life Robert is to be saved by Christ, if you have already asked Christ in you life you are saved, but now you must believe in the power of Christs forgiveness, give no room to the devil, give it all to God, for He will abundantly pardon.
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Feelings is not Faith.
It is true that feelings are not faith,nevertheless feelings are real and can and do cause torment when they are bad feelings, just like good feelings cause joy and peace.A person who has been burned has feelings of physical pain, and a person who has been traumatized in one way or another or by ocd has very real pain or fear or torment and those feelings are very real, they are so real and tormenting at times that a person can shake and tremeble or cry every day and they can even disable a person from functioning or reasoning properly.Aperson with excruiating tormenting feelings cannot just make them go away anymore even though they want them to end with all their heart since the feelings and fear are causing torment.Yet Jesus invites us to come to Him to receive rest and Jesus did came to heal the broken hearted and set at liberty them who are bruised.Jesus makes all things new.

Feelings are twisted and decieved in many different ways, earthly and Spiritual (warfare).

True feelings are twisted and deceived at times.Good healthy feelings come from wholeness and being healthy.Tormenting feelings come from a not being whole or from being brokenhearted,people do have broken hearts or broken spirits sometimes as the bible says a broken spirit who can bear.Broken hearts and spirits are very real and very painful.Sometimes a persons pancreas may not be functioning properly or their lungs or a person may have a physical disease such as cancer and it causes pain even though Jesus wants us to be in good health.A person who has celiac disease must avoid wheat even though are stomachs are designed to eat wheat.The bible says a merry heart doeth good like a medicine but a broken spirit dries up the bones.Jesus came to heal the broken hearted.Broken hearts are real.

Noone as a Christian should ever go by their feelings ever, OCD or not.

We should not go by feelings, even though the terror and anguish we feel is real, the thoughts and feelings they cause are not real.If someone has a phobia of snakes you take take a snake that is not poinsnous and never bites and tell them to hold it because it is not harmful and they will still feel terror, the terror is real even though the snake is harmless.A person experiencing true anguish and terror has real feelings, just the thoughts caused by the feelings are not true.

A person will find themselves trapped and decieved very easy.

This is very true, it has happened to ministers and missionaries and many many people, even very strong people , and can cause terrible suffering.

Many people go by their feelings, no where in His Inspired Word does He say go by feelings, instead it was clear that we shouldnt.

True we are not supposed to go by feelings, no where in the bible does it tell us to get sick , but it happens.We are not told to have a broken heart but it happens.Still people who get sick or have a broken heart, need comfort and care while they recover.

Trust in Him not your emotions. Emotions are a part of our hurt and pain many times.
Whether our emotions are strong and healthy and joyful or whether they are tormenting, we put our trust in Jesus who invites us all to come to Him.
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Robert,Jesus is protecting you and holding onto you , no matter how horrible or tormenting your feelings or how brokenhearted you are.Jesus is keeping you safe and will continue to keep you safe no matter how painful your feelings are.
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or how brokenhearted you are.

You know thats a keyword, brokenhearted. I did not have a broken heart when I came to christ and perhaps thats why im not healed.

I dont think you can even get saved or forgiven unless you have a broken and contrite heart. The Bible even says that its a broken contrite heart that Jesus heals.

Through the decietfullness of sin I hardened my heart to the point of Stone. All the years went by and damage was being done that I didnt even notice until it was too late.
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You know thats a keyword, brokenhearted. I did not have a broken heart when I came to christ and perhaps thats why im not healed.

I dont think you can even get saved or forgiven unless you have a broken and contrite heart. The Bible even says that its a broken contrite heart that Jesus heals.

Through the decietfullness of sin I hardened my heart to the point of Stone. All the years went by and damage was being done that I didnt even notice until it was too late.
Ask Jesus to take that heart of stone out of you and give you a heart of flesh, He said He would do this for all who come to Him. Do not believe those lies from the pit of hell that say you are unforgivable, Jesus said He would save all who came to Him, just give it all to Christ He will not disappoint. Study those scriptures I gave you up above, those are for you Robert.
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