Revelation was a letter to a church. People don't write letters that is obscure and meaningless to its recipients. It is not a book that is a mystery until te very end when only those will understand it, except that chapters 21& 22 tell of a new story which is yet to happen.
As knowledge increases, more is made manifest of scripture to those who are wise. Revelation 13:18 states that "Here is wisdom, Let him that hath understanding count the number...."
It doesn't say here is fear, here in doubt, here is confusion. It's states that them with understanding will attain to wisdom.
I believe the number 666 references to our Adam nature connection to the entire earthen system. The number of the speed of the evolution of the earth is 66,600 mi. pr. hour. So as one man lowered entire earth into sin, Another man by his obedience, sinless nature, spilling of his blood, death burial and resurrection paid for and redeemed the entire creation.
Also, the atomic weight number of the feet of the beast in king Nebuchadnezzar's dream which were made of iron and clay equals 333 x 2(feet) = 666. Iron oxide 74.85, clay 258.16. Daniel 2 states, that the feet are referred to have toes part iron and part clay. Partly strong partly broken. It's the intergration of the final world system into the flesh of mankind. Scientist are already talking about implants that interface with neuralogical functions. Revelation 13:4 says, "who can make war with the beast."
Earthen man is mainly carbon based 6 electrons orbit 6 neutrons linked to 6 protons. For that matter most lifeforms in this realm is carbon based. Man that came from the dirt is destined to be purified by fire. Only them that worship is Spirit and Truth shall abide at his coming.
Our God is a consuming fire. Hebrew 12:29 Peter says that all the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. 2 Peter 3:10
Dude, that was truly bizarre. In fact, that is just the type of weird Revelation stuff that I'm ranting against in my OP!!!!
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I feel as though it can be a real big distraction to get tied down on details, predictions, etc. I think it is acceptable for me to admit that I really do hate the way in which "eschatology" has been commercialized - especially in the US... No one knows the day or the hour, and we should take this to heart.
That being said- I am also not going to be bullied into saying that I don't believe what the Bible teaches. I know a lot of passages have meaning relevant to the past and to Church history (etc) but they continue to be relevant and have meaning for the future as well. I affirm the truth of the Rapture, the Tribulation, the visible and personal return of Jesus Christ, the Millennium and the final destruction of Satan and all evil. I don't know that we are living in the "End Times" but then again - I also don't know that we aren't... Only God knows and God has revealed what He has revealed to give us assurance that He will kick Satan's butt when all is said and done. This gets us through the all tribulation, including 'The Tribulation'. That is all I know - and all I need to know.
Like I said, it's unconventional but I firmly believe that. Make of it (and me) as you will.
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Its not that unconventional. I agree to a large extent. People have been turning off Christianity for years. If you look at the figures, more people worship weekly in mosques than in churches in London.
We need to give people a message that is relevant and real, something they can live and see others living too!
I was in a pentecostal/ WOF church for years, I was desparing at ever living up to the 'pie in the sky' that was preached there!
As it was in the time of Noah so shall it be at the coming of the son of man. They will be eating and drinking given into marriage. In other words they will not realize until it is to0 late.
Nice one Cura! Basically the end of days is actually the creation of a new one, well not sure if those are the right words but you catch my drift right?
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Brother will kill brother Spilling blood across the land Killing for religion Something I don't understand
Fools like me, who cross the sea And come to foreign lands Ask the sheep, for their beliefs Do you kill on God's command?
The problem with Eschatology is as Paxi said and I have to agree at least in America, it is a commercial issue. I mean, I give Eschatology about as much weight as I do any other theological subject but I don't like to discuss it purely because everyone gets too defensive and emotional, plus I am a partial preterist so my understanding of the end is not nearly as interesting as some.
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There really is a lot of unnecessary fear and anxiety surrounding the whole 'end-times' theme. I suppose for good reason in that, as the OP and several others have pointed out, the mainstream has for the most part, completely missed the whole point of the Book of Revelation.
Thank you! My current church is so bad about this, tying to shoehorn current political events into dispensational eschatology. To that, I reply with the following Scripture:
"And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not troubled; for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet." Matthew 24:6
In my opinion,
1) It is fear-mongering,
2) It encourages an unhealthy focus on the current nation of Israel,
3) It encourages people to pray for the wrong things - praying to get zapped out of here, rather than praying for the strength to endure whatever comes.
A distaste for this has been growing in me for some time, but I'm just now beginning to look at other opinions on this that, frankly, aren't so frightening!
Zoness, at this point I would consider myself a partial preterist also. Right on.
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Thank you! My current church is so bad about this, tying to shoehorn current political events into dispensational eschatology. To that, I reply with the following Scripture:
"And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not troubled; for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet." Matthew 24:6
In my opinion,
1) It is fear-mongering,
2) It encourages an unhealthy focus on the current nation of Israel,
3) It encourages people to pray for the wrong things - praying to get zapped out of here, rather than praying for the strength to endure whatever comes.
A distaste for this has been growing in me for some time, but I'm just now beginning to look at other opinions on this that, frankly, aren't so frightening!
Zoness, at this point I would consider myself a partial preterist also. Right on.
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Thank you! My current church is so bad about this, tying to shoehorn current political events into dispensational eschatology. To that, I reply with the following Scripture:
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