Humans evolved from lemurs

dad · #31 18th May 2009, 04:18 AM

Originally Posted by Hespera

GuidanceN sez...

Hmmm or maybe they just a female raccoon, wow wouldn't that be amazing!

Opposable thumbs - Raccoons have opposable thumbs
Fingernails - I read fingernails decay over a period of a few weeks
Walking on their hind legs - hmm don't raccoons have the ability to bare all their weight with their hind legs?

Yeah I believe they are grasping to try to fill the missing link!

hespera sez...

GN, we understand that you rely on sarcasm to try to make your points because you lack a basic understanding of some of the things being discussed. so you have difficulty making a point that is on topic.

You are just sure you dont believe them whatever they are; not tying to be mean here but its a bit on the level of a kid saying about food, "I dont like it what is it".

I understand that you believe wha tyou believe because you believe it.

Please understand too that there are a lot of very sensible, highly educated peopls out there doing good research and you live with the very tangible results of that work.

There isnt within the scientific community a church of evolutionists who have their own silly rules of evidence and Truths they are trying to Prove with their nonsense.

Its not like that. if it were anywhere remotely like that they would be the laughingstock of the Universitites, for a brief time at least. They would get no funding and would soon cease to exist.

Your questions often reveal a very deep basic lack of understanding aobut the issues and science involved. If you did understand what people are doing and how, you would not waste your time with meaningless remarks about female raccoons with opposable thumbs, because youd know better. For everyone's sake esp you own i hope you will try to inform yourself better. ( for a start dont get your "facts' from creo sites)

Except, you forgot to tell us all what he was failing to understand, exactly!!? Or do you get it yourself? Some people just like to try to sound intelligent, and make fun of others, actually saying nothing at all. Fancy that.

dad · #32 18th May 2009, 04:20 AM

Originally Posted by AV1611VET

Okay --- let's do that, LightSeeker.

Take a look at this picture, please, and tell me what you see:

Do you see a georgeous picture of a supernova in progress --- or do you see a star in its final stage of death --- or both?

Now, take a look at this, please:

Do you see a magnificent geological creation, or do you see a horrible tear in our planet, brought on as a punishment for sin?

If someone shot the side of your house with a paintgun, would you "oooooh" and "aaaaah" at the marvelous design?You've never seen the Creation the way God designed it.

Perfect humans in glorified states.

Absolute harmony with all things living.

No death, decay, fear, pain, or struggling.

Take the rose-colored glasses off and see this universe for what it is --- a universe literally groaning --- waiting for the Creator to step in and do something before thermal equilibrium ends its miserable life.

Excellent point!

MoonLancer · #33 18th May 2009, 05:54 AM

Originally Posted by dad

If worms are what you claim as an ancestor, or that you both came from a similar mom, that is the detail that matters.

it is the detail which you fudge, and i wouldn't go so far as saying they had a similar mom. considering the ancestor goes so far back i don't think you could call it a mom exactly.

Stop wiggling! Now you can call my claims baseless all you like, but God is in the details.

which detail is god in? please give me details. specifics. because from what i have seen, god is not in the details. the more one looks at detail, the more one sees the very lack of a god. If one was to see incomplete systems that work anyway well that would be god.

Perhaps it is time to stop the obfuscation, and fudging.

i agree. get right on that on that right away.

dewaddict84 · #34 18th May 2009, 08:00 AM

Yeah, I saw this too. I'm skeptical. They're keeping it a secret, but hyping it to the media. There's something wrong with that. Also, I preferred the WSJ article: Fossil Discovery Is Heralded - WSJ.com

I also questioned how this could come up in Germany, while man came out of Africa. But then it was pointed out that 47 million years is plenty for a new species to wander the planet. Homo Sapiens came around about 80 thousand years ago.

What claim, exactly?

I believe he was referring to this one:

..it wasn't a man. Get over it.

Of course it wasn't a man. If it was a man then it certainly wouldn't be any sort of missing link between man and monkey now would it? The perfect missing link would be something that is half-way between whatever it is you're trying to link. And regardless, this fossil isn't even in that gap. It's before the monkey-ape-hominid split.

they call a Tiktaalik, and call it a missing link between fish and amphibian

Ah... no. The Tiktaalik, if legit, is before monkeys and apes, a lot like a lemur. It's not between fish and amphibians.

before it even begins to look like an fps movie?

Hey, not all of us had decent video cards alright? You ever play quake on a LAN where everyone had it running at about 2 fps? It's like a firefight in a strobe room.

Also, AV? I see a nebula, not a super-nova. Although it might be the remnants of a super-nova, it's long-since over.
Have you ever been to the grand canyon? It's simply beautiful.
You've never seen such a perfect world either.
Take off those pitch-colored glasses and see the universe for what it is: Neat.

thermal equilibrium ends its miserable life.

... What? You're just kind of a downer aren't you? Do you mean the heat death of the universe? I think we've got some time before that happens...

I'm not interested in frames --- I'm interested in pages --- of the Bible.

If you're really not interested, then why do you post so much in the CrEvo section?

And yes, you and I share a common ancestor with worms. Just like all other living life on the planet. "Mom" refers to your immediate female ancestor. And since worms are hermaphrodites, that term really falls apart.

dewaddict84 · #35 18th May 2009, 08:05 AM

which detail is god in?

Oh come on! You know they're just going to say the bible, or EVERYTHING WHY CAN'T YOU SEE IT? What you did there was essentially just ask them to prove their religion. What's the point of that. Stay on topic of the thread, or at least in the category of the division.

LightSeaker · #36 18th May 2009, 12:52 PM

Originally Posted by AV1611VET

Okay --- let's do that, LightSeeker.

Take a look at this picture, please, and tell me what you see:

Do you see a georgeous picture of a supernova in progress --- or do you see a star in its final stage of death --- or both?

I see the wonders of Creation in action.

Now, take a look at this, please:

Do you see a magnificent geological creation, or do you see a horrible tear in our planet, brought on as a punishment for sin?

I see the wonders of Creation in action.

If someone shot the side of your house with a paintgun, would you "oooooh" and "aaaaah" at the marvelous design?You've never seen the Creation the way God designed it.

Perfect humans in glorified states.

Absolute harmony with all things living.

No death, decay, fear, pain, or struggling.

Take the rose-colored glasses off and see this universe for what it is --- a universe literally groaning --- waiting for the Creator to step in and do something before thermal equilibrium ends its miserable life.

I have a different view. I see the wonders of Creation in action.

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AV1611VET · #37 18th May 2009, 01:05 PM

Originally Posted by LightSeaker

I see the wonders of Creation in action.

I see the wonders of Creation in action.

I have a different view. I see the wonders of Creation in action.

Then let me ask you this --- is the Creation still in progress?

If it is, where will it end --- at maximum entropy --- or on the "day of God"?

Originally Posted by 2 Peter 3:12

Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

Speaking of entropy, is God still creating on one side, while entropy is "uncreating" on the other?

If so, is God ignoring His own point He made through Haggai?

Originally Posted by Haggai 1:6b

... and he that earneth wages earneth wages to put it into a bag with holes.

LightSeaker · #38 18th May 2009, 01:22 PM

Originally Posted by AV1611VET

Then let me ask you this --- is the Creation still in progress?

Of course Creation is still in progress. Life would end if Creation stopped. Creation can't be separated from life itself. They are all one and of the same power of life itself.

If it is, where will it end --- at maximum entropy --- or on the "day of God"?Speaking of entropy, is God still creating on one side, while entropy is "uncreating" on the other?

entropy is an aspect of and not separate from this wonderful Creation. It's all One.

If so, is God ignoring His own point He made through Haggai?

I don't know what point he made that you are making a point of.

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AV1611VET · #39 18th May 2009, 01:39 PM

Originally Posted by LightSeaker

Of course Creation is still in progress.

Um ... God ceased after the sixth day.

Originally Posted by Genesis 2:2

And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

You see --- modern science teaches that the amount of mass/energy in the universe has always been the same --- whereas the Bible portrays it as starting out at zero, then being raised to its current level over a period of six days.

Thus, after Day Six, God instituted the Law of Conservation of Mass and Energy.

Originally Posted by LightSeaker

Life would end if Creation stopped. Creation can't be separated from life itself. They are all one and of the same power of life itself.

You're talking creatiio ex materia --- but in Genesis 1, the universe came into existence creatio ex nihilo.

Originally Posted by LightSeaker

entropy is an aspect of and not separate from this wonderful Creation.

Entropy --- a.k.a. heat death --- is an enemy of God.

Originally Posted by LightSeaker

It's all One.

As in I am the Walrus, koo koo ka chew --- or as in pantheism?

Originally Posted by LightSeaker

I don't know what point he made that you are making a point of.

You know --- like blowing up a balloon that has a very tiny pinhole in it.

LightSeaker · #40 18th May 2009, 02:54 PM

Originally Posted by AV1611VET

Um ... God ceased after the sixth day.

Yet, His Creation did not stop creating. It can't. Creating life is an aspect of life itself. That's what Creation itself is showing us. And, as I stated earlier, Creation is signed directly by the signature of God.

You see --- modern science teaches that the amount of mass/energy in the universe has always been the same --- whereas the Bible portrays it as starting out at zero, then being raised to its current level over a period of six days.

Thus, after Day Six, God instituted the Law of Conservation of Mass and Energy.You're talking creatiio ex materia --- but in Genesis 1, the universe came into existence creatio ex nihilo.]

From my perspective, Creation came into existence creatio ex deo.

Entropy --- a.k.a. heat

death--- is an enemy of God.

I don't see any aspect of God's Creation as ever being an enemy of God. As far as Entropy...Entropy is an aspect of Creation. Entropy exist in Creation. It is not separate from Creation. If Creation did not exist, neither would Entropy. And Creation (which includes Entropy), being signed by the signature of God, is not an enemy of God.

As in I am the Walrus, koo koo ka chew --- or as in pantheism?You know --- like blowing up a balloon that has a very tiny pinhole in it.

That's a great Beattle's song. Thanks, I'm now playing it over and over in my mind.

No...its more like all aspects of Creation are a part of and one with the whole of Creation. Creation is not a bunch of separate and individual parts spread about here and there and over yonder. Creation is whole, united and One into itself. There is nothing that exist that sits outside of Creation.

It's the mind of human beings that divide and separate Creation into different aspects. But Creation itself is One and Whole unto itself.

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