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16th May 2009, 01:04 AM
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Reps: 205,146,621,849,477,600 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by ragarth  Whatever. I was trying to be nice by sharing an (in my opinion) excellent recipe in a cake thread.
/thread.
Can we use "/bake" for this thread instead? 
I think your cake was the best so far. Actual nom nom cake pwns analogy cake into the ground any day. |
16th May 2009, 01:07 AM
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Reps: 2,160,465,330,633 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by Cabal Can we use "/bake" for this thread instead?
I think your cake was the best so far. Actual nom nom cake pwns analogy cake into the ground any day.
Agreed,
/bake |
16th May 2009, 01:08 AM
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Reps: 3,294,912,924,464,264,192 (power: 3,294,912,924,464,269) | | Originally Posted by ragarth Making a cake, atheist style:
Cheesecake
ingredients: Code: 3 packs 8oz cream cheese, softened
4 eggs
1 teaspoon vanilla
1 cup sugar
2 cups sour cream
1 (or 2) pie crusts
Prepare pie crusts as per instructions on crust
In a large bowl, use an electric mixer to beat cream cheese till light and creamy, add eggs, vanilla and sugar. beat until creamy
beat sour cream by hand, add gradually to cream cheese mixture, beat until thoroughly combined
pour filling into crust, bake 50-60 minutes, cool in pan, then refrigerate for 5 hours over night.
Wanna make it a creationist cake? Top with strawberry pie filling
Wanna make it a pagan cake? Add chocolate chunks before baking
//Cheesecake is better than real cake.  I need to go to the store
Guess I'll go for the pagan cake, love chocolate.
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16th May 2009, 02:24 AM
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Reps: 56,734,881,133,185,528 (power: 56,734,881,133,195) | | Originally Posted by Cabal I'm not really so concerned with the analogy - my point is the fact that God knows what will happen means that Adam was destined to die before he was even made, thus saying that TE has everyone destined to die really means little when from the point of view of the literalist, God has set up the exact same thing - so the literalist approach is at no real advantage in that respect.
Its my view that if god was all powerful, all knowing, and all loving, the fall could not happen. When god creates he knows the outcome of every action because he is all knowing. So by choosing to create the world as he did, he created it knowing the fall would happen, and as a result specifically created the world to fall from the onset. with great power come great responsibility. Thus I find god is more responsible for the fall then Adam ever was. Adam was simply a pawn.
clearly this is still a problem even if one believes that the world was simply created very good. If the world was created perfect, regardless of the nature of god, it could not fail and the fall would be impossible.
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16th May 2009, 08:24 AM
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Reps: 63,995,668,486,750,328 (power: 63,995,668,486,770) | | Originally Posted by MoonLancer Its my view that god was all powerful, all knowing, and all loving, the fall could not happen. When god creates he knows the outcome of every action because he is all knowing. So by choosing to create the world as he did, he created it knowing the fall would happen, and as a result specifically created the world to fall from the onset. with great power come great responsibility. Thus I find god is more responsible for the fall then Adam ever was. Adam was simply a pawn.
clearly this is still a problem even if one believes that the world was simply created very good. If the world was created perfect, regardless of the nature of god, it could not fail and the fall would be impossible.
Well, obviously "The Fall" is "very good" or even "perfect". It is the only solution to the thesis of a sovereign God: the world is exactly the way that God wants it to be.
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16th May 2009, 09:57 AM
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Reps: 2,296,392,850,439,835,136 (power: 2,296,392,850,439,846) | | Originally Posted by Hespera So.... if my cake falls, or my souffle goes poof, i can still serve it and say that it is perfect!
Ah, but you probably dont have the power or means to restore and perfect your souffle....whereas God is able to restore and perfect \His creation.
I still think there is a difference between very good and perfect - though one could say that at the beginning God created everything perfectly for His ultimate designs or purposes, even though that might entail trauma on the way.
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16th May 2009, 10:37 AM
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Reps: 63,995,668,486,750,328 (power: 63,995,668,486,770) | | Originally Posted by tansy Ah, but you probably dont have the power or means to restore and perfect your souffle....whereas God is able to restore and perfect \His creation.
I still think there is a difference between very good and perfect - though one could say that at the beginning God created everything perfectly for His ultimate designs or purposes, even though that might entail trauma on the way.
Don´t you think that God - the sovereign, omnipotent God - would have the means to ensure that a souffle does not go poof if he does not want it to go poof? That means every souffle gone poof went poof because God wanted it to go poof. We fallible humans might be unable to recognize it, but the souffle is perfect. Even our inability to recognize it as perfect is perfect! 
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16th May 2009, 10:43 AM
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Reps: 2,296,392,850,439,835,136 (power: 2,296,392,850,439,846) | | Originally Posted by Freodin Don´t you think that God - the sovereign, omnipotent God - would have the means to ensure that a souffle does not go poof if he does not want it to go poof? That means every souffle gone poof went poof because God wanted it to go poof. We fallible humans might be unable to recognize it, but the souffle is perfect. Even our inability to recognize it as perfect is perfect!
It just depends what kind of souffle He wants to make , and how He wants to go about making it
Thing is of course, we dont have ALL the ansers
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