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15th May 2009, 08:57 PM
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Reps: 205,146,621,849,477,600 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by AV1611VET  Here's the kicker --- whose fault is it that he is going to die?
If you say it's God's fault --- you can keep your cake.
(You can keep it anyway.)
You put a kid and a loaded gun in a room and the kid shoots himself. That the kid's fault?
It must suck holding to such a worldview. That's why I find not defining "very good" as....well...anything other than "very good" helps enormously. Makes that whole mess of explaining away how an imperfect existence is supposedly perfect. |
15th May 2009, 09:01 PM
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15th May 2009, 09:07 PM
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Reps: 205,146,621,849,477,600 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by MoonLancer in fact not only do you put a loaded in room with the kid, you tell the kid that he will die, before the kid knows what death is.
I'm not really so concerned with the analogy - my point is the fact that God knows what will happen means that Adam was destined to die before he was even made, thus saying that TE has everyone destined to die really means little when from the point of view of the literalist, God has set up the exact same thing - so the literalist approach is at no real advantage in that respect.
Of course, this can be mollified somewhat by not reading "very good" as "perfect", because "very good" does not mean perfect! The whole thing just goes to show that the so-called literalists pick and choose just as much as the rest of us, they just interpret differently - as ever reader of the Bible does. |
15th May 2009, 09:38 PM
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Reps: 205,146,621,849,477,600 (power: 0) | | | Buh, I'm an idiot. I forgot the most obvious comeback to AV's "yeah but DEATH" line:
Evolution doesn't necessarily require death - merely survival to the point of being able to reproduce. Even if all species lived forever, there would still be competition over resources, and those best-adapted to finding them most efficiently would win the resource war, as it were and have more offspring. |
15th May 2009, 09:40 PM
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Reps: 2,296,392,850,439,835,136 (power: 2,296,392,850,439,846) | | Originally Posted by Cabal .
Of course, this can be mollified somewhat by not reading "very good" as "perfect", because "very good" does not mean perfect!
All the rest of these posts were kind of confusing, (though I'm sure only light banter), but I think you have a very good point there.
I agree that very good doesnt necessarily or even deinitely mean perfect.
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Reps: 205,146,621,849,477,600 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by Bombila Now I'm hungry for... delicious caek!!!
Can't believe this hasn't come up yet either:  |
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