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Hi everyone, I'm obviously new here, so I thought I would just take some time to say hi: Hi
We all know there is a theory of evolution, whether we all understand it or not, but if by some miracle evolution was proven false, does creation have its own theory to take evolution's place if the need arise?
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As much as I'd like something to debate, it's hard to start a discussion about nothing. There's really nothing left to add to this answer.
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Or whatever creator of your choosing. "It" is very much left open to be, well, anything and everything. Proving evolution wrong really would take a miracle, and a good one at that.
Hi everyone, I'm obviously new here, so I thought I would just take some time to say hi: Hi
We all know there is a theory of evolution, whether we all understand it or not, but if by some miracle evolution was proven false, does creation have its own theory to take evolution's place if the need arise?
Hello and welcome to the forums! To answer your question: no, there isn't. Not only there is no theory of creation in the scientific sense of the word, but creationism is not at all the homogenous movement its followers like to portray it as. In this forum alone, we have and had:
Young earth creationists who believe that everything happened as described in Genesis, up to and including the Flood, in the past ~6000 years
Old earth creationists, who accept that this planet is billions of years old but deny that evolution exists
Heliocentrists
Creationists who believe in some ill-defined "change" in the past and use this to handwave away
People who believe that God created Earth 6000 years ago, then "embedded" age into it to make it an old planet (note that I didn't say make it appear)
Creationists who believe that Noah's Ark and the Pharao's chariots have been found
Creationists who claim that no evidence for creation or evidence supporting the Bible's version can ever be found
Creationists who affirm that evidence can/will be found or has already been found
To develop a working creationist theory, one would either have to find common ground everyone agrees on or find a way to distinguish the correct version from the false ones (assuming there is a correct version, of course). I don't see either happening anytime soon.
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Hi everyone, I'm obviously new here, so I thought I would just take some time to say hi: Hi
Hi, Darkness --- nice to meet you --- and welcome to CF ---
Originally Posted by Darkness27
We all know there is a theory of evolution, whether we all understand it or not, but if by some miracle evolution was proven false, does creation have its own theory to take evolution's place if the need arise?
I'm going to answer NO to this for three reasons:
Creation is not the opposite of evolution --- evolution deals with life after it got started.
There is no such thing as abiogenesis --- God created life.
Unless one believes that energy has always existed (like we believe God has always existed), they cannot be anything other than a creationist themselves --- (or in denial).
Science teaches that the amount of mass/energy in the universe is a constant, and has always been a constant.
The Bible teaches that the amount of mass/energy in the universe started out at zero, then was raised to its current level over a period of six days.
The Bible teaches that the amount of mass/energy in the universe started out at zero, then was raised to its current level over a period of six days.
Wrong. If God actually exists he is made of something. If God is made of matter then he is also made of energy. You are a potential atheist!
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