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Old 13th May 2009, 11:57 AM
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Since most plant life would die if submerged under a deluge for almost a year, and since such a deluge would wash away all the soil and nutrients, I have a few questions regarding the biblical flood.

How, specifically, did plant life reoccur? How long did that process take? What did all the herbivores eat in the mean time? How does a dove return to the Ark with a "freshly plucked" olive leaf?
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Old 13th May 2009, 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by TheBear View Post
Since most plant life would die if submerged under a deluge for almost a year, and since such a deluge would wash away all the soil and nutrients, I have a few questions regarding the biblical flood.

How, specifically, did plant life reoccur? How long did that process take? What did all the herbivores eat in the mean time? How does a dove return to the Ark with a "freshly plucked" olive leaf?
My guess? Goddidit. We're talking about a global flood caused by the wrath of the divine. I'm sure God can poof a fig tree if he wants to.
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Old 13th May 2009, 12:16 PM
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BTW, I screwed up on the thread title. I should have titled it - "Olive Trees". Sorry for the mix up.
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Although, I don't subscribe to a "world-wide" submersion because of other issues, I do believe plants can live under water for a long time. I used to submerge certain plants in the pebbles lining the bottom of my fish tank, and they lived a long time. Whether they could then survive again in soil, I can't say.

I've also grown hydroponic plants that require no soil at all.
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Well, there are probably all sorts of problems with this, but I had heard somewhere that seed could have survived, and then when the waters receded, they germinated and grew...and I suppose if therewas a sapling olive tree that had sprung up on some high place (maybe the water was only above highest places for a day or something, so there would maybe have been time for a tree to have started growing), then the dove could have returned with one.
WE'd probably need a tree and plant expert to say if this sort of tbhing would be possible...I'm only repeating sort of what I heard, not saying that it is definitely possible
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Originally Posted by rahmiyn View Post
Although, I don't subscribe to a "world-wide" submersion because of other issues, I do believe plants can live under water for a long time. I used to submerge certain plants in the pebbles lining the bottom of my fish tank, and they lived a long time. Whether they could then survive again in soil, I can't say.

I've also grown hydroponic plants that require no soil at all.

"dad" has gotten one thing right, which is that the whole flood story simply could not happen as described if you think there was a 'same state" past.

Water had to come form nowhere; since then, mountains have to have lurched up, continents zipped about, amazing feats of erosion and deposition, plants have to have grown hundreds of times faster than now.... there is no end to the adjustments that have to be made.


So you just cant work it out in terms of physics, physiology, or anything else as it exists today.

Unless you take the rather obvious course of seeing it as a myth.
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Although, I don't subscribe to a "world-wide" submersion because of other issues, I do believe plants can live under water for a long time. I used to submerge certain plants in the pebbles lining the bottom of my fish tank, and they lived a long time. Whether they could then survive again in soil, I can't say.

I've also grown hydroponic plants that require no soil at all.
Good point....don't know that trees etc. would be able to survive like that though
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I used to submerge certain plants in the pebbles lining the bottom of my fish tank, and they lived a long time.
Well, the point of the OP is that all plants, not just certain plants, must be able to survive being completely submerged underwater for months on end, and with all the nutrients washed away.

I've also grown hydroponic plants that require no soil at all.
You fed the plants nutrients, didn't you?
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Well, wouldnt there STILL be nutrients, whatever? We need a plant biologist, or whatever to answer these questions.
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Originally Posted by rahmiyn View Post
Although, I don't subscribe to a "world-wide" submersion because of other issues, I do believe plants can live under water for a long time. I used to submerge certain plants in the pebbles lining the bottom of my fish tank, and they lived a long time. Whether they could then survive again in soil, I can't say.
Did you shake the fish tank around for a month or so while adding significant amounts of sedimentary material? How do you think the plant would have done in that sort of situation?
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