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I've just read the account of Noahs Flood again, and it says it rained for 40 days and nights...not really out of the way, as far as that goes. It says that the water was upon the earth for 150 days (about 5 months, I think?) and by the 7th month it had all receded. So it looks like the water was already receding relatively quickly after the initial event, before subsiding altogether....so I should have thought from that, that it was quite possible for vegetaion to reassert itself...that it wouldnt necessarily have gone beyond all hope of regerminating or regrowing. It doesnt appear from the account, that the WHOLE earth was necessarily covered for that long a time (assuming that the whole earth is indeed what's involved)
If god can cause a world wide flood, he can grow an olive tree, silly.
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If god can cause a world wide flood, he can grow an olive tree, silly.
Seriously, once a person gets into the kind of miracles it would take to gather two of every kind of animal, Brazilian salamanders included, then get all that water to cover even Mt Everest make sure all the marine animals were not killed by the drastic drop in salt content, avoid the orbital problems that might result from the hundreds of millions of cubic miles of water added to the mass of the erath... heck, getting some seeds to germinate is small stuff.
Seriously, once a person gets into the kind of miracles it would take to gather two of every kind of animal, Brazilian salamanders included, then get all that water to cover even Mt Everest make sure all the marine animals were not killed by the drastic drop in salt content, avoid the orbital problems that might result from the hundreds of millions of cubic miles of water added to the mass of the erath... heck, getting some seeds to germinate is small stuff.
From what ive heard (can't comment on the accuracy of it), a lot of the water came from under the earth's surface (the fountains of the deep broke open), so maybe less water would have been added to earths mass than might be thought.
Ive also heard that Noah didnt have to take every single SPECIES onto the ark, but just the general kinds (due to natural selection, they would specify, or there would be variations, as time went on)
3 - What did all the herbivores eat in the mean time?
4 - How does a dove return to the Ark with a "freshly plucked" olive leaf?
These are questions that cannot be answered using science. A metaphysical explanation is the only tenable position.
1. God saw fit at that time to intervene and plant a fully grown olive tree in an exact location for a dove/raven to locate and retrieve branch from.
2. Process was instantaneous. God can intervene at his discretion, and time is irelevanant, as he exists outside of its' limits.
3. God kept the animals in a matabolically suspended state until the flood waters receeded sufficiently for them to secure their own food.
4. See answer number one.
__________________ We are surrounded by endless forms, most beautiful and most wonderful, and it is noaccident, but the direct consequence of evolution by non-random natural selection - the only game in town, the greatest show on Earth. ~R.D.
1 - How, specifically, did plant life reoccur? SEEDS?
Seeds which, if indeed they could survive the waters, would find themselves in less-than-favourable conditions no matter where it was. Overly wet soil, possibly buried too deep, etc. So even if some made it, that would still be a minority and it would take some time to actually grow into a proper plant.
2 - How long did that process take? A few weeks, months? As i said above, i dont think the earth (or much of it was covered for that long)
So from barely any plants alive to a modern level of vegetation in a few months?
3 - What did all the herbivores eat in the mean time? According to the account, there were no herbivores alive on earth, until Noah got off the ark
Not in the meantime during the flood, but in the meantime after the flood, when the herbivores got off the ark and had to wait at least weeks before they would have food. And even then, very limited amounts of food; would it be enough to feed a menagerie herd of various herbivore "kinds"? Would the young plants be able to survive with such heavy demands on them to provide adequate food?
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Why all the emotional reaction from some, (as evident with all the bolds and ALL CAPS)? Theses are just questions to explore in-depth. No need to get all excited.
Then again, questioning and scrutinizing religious claims, does hit an emotional and defensive nerve with some.
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