ID and Astrobiology

I try to give people the initial benefit of the doubt and assume they have a valid argument. If it turns out his argument belongs in a hooka, then so be it, but atm I will work with the assumption that there's something worth discussing in this.

Oh come on people, ID purports to be the best hypothesis explaining the origin of life and species.

If evolution and abiogenesis can make these predictions, then ID has to be able to for it to be the superior hypothesis.

a definition which you made up, and apparently you're using a different definition of life than everyone else. A plant is "alive" by any definition of alive i've ever heard of, maybe you could care to share your definition of "alive" which doesn't include plants.

not that it matters. "a rose by any other name...". Just defining something differently doesn't make it any different.

that's why i say, you're assertion that plants are not alive, is semantic nonsense. Your statement has no meaning whatsoever until you tell us what you mean by "alive" because you are obviously not using the common definition of "alive". You could start by telling us what a plant is lacking that makes it not "alive" by your criteria. Then you could tell us what relevance that has to this thread.

No. I am not playing word game.

Think, if you mistreated an animal, people will come to trouble you. But if you mistreat, or torture your plants, nobody cares. Why is there such a difference? Admitted it, even you think plant is life, you don't really treat it as one. Why? Because it is not a life.

I have many veggies grow in my garden right now. Everyday, I "killed" many of them and put them into my stomach. Are you going to accuse me of mass and serial murdering? Why not?

Abiogenesis and Evolution make predictions as to roughly what kind of environment will predict life. Namely we're looking for planets with a certain chemical composition, a certain size, and a certain distance from the parent star. This is why there's a rush to develop techniques to detect earth-sized planets within the habitable zone of worlds, and by distribution theory there should be a lot of em out there.

What predictions does ID make about where to look for life elsewhere in our galaxy? How can you extrapolate from it information that could assist in this search?

Didn't we have a big discussion on plants a few months ago? Where I mentioned plant metabolism and whatnot? The only differences between a plant cell and an animal cell are that plants have a vacuole, chloroplasts, and a cell wall. Other than that everything is the same. You might as well be saying that animals aren't alive either.

Yes we did. I pointed out something nobody gave a satisfactory answer. So the thread was buried. The one (metabolism) many of you did answer (with rare examples) is still not convincing to me. I said plant only takes in nutrients, but does not expel wastes. That is not metabolism.

...nobody cares if you spray ants and termites. Nobody cares if you crack open chicken eggs!

Gandhi just turned over in his grave.