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What is a Liberal Church?

What is a liberal church? Theological liberals or liberals when it comes to social agendas or what? In some ways Orthodoxy is very liberal, in others very conservative so what is it?
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I would suspect that the right line to draw is not one of positions but of response to disagreement. In other words, it's not how people feel about a given issue, but how they feel about people who disagree with them.
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For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord. -- Romans 8:38-39
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so what are the hallmarks of a liberal Christian?
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In my experience, liberal Christians hate words like "plain reading" and "literal".
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so what are the hallmarks of a liberal Christian?
I'm not sure there are any easy ones, but... A tendency to be willing to admit that the answers are complicated, or to acknowledge the possibility of their own error.

So, as an example... I believe that public prayer (in the common sense) is clearly prohibited, and sinful. But... I don't necessarily reject people who disagree, or ask that they be "cast out", or anything. This is the behavior which is called "condoning sin" by people who don't do the thing you're talking about, and "Christian charity" by people who do. Perhaps it's both.
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For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord. -- Romans 8:38-39
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"public prayer" is sinful?
that's the first time I've heard it.

do you mean like when the pastor gets up in front of the church and prays?
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We Are the Believers In Exile

We are the boy who said the emperor has no clothes.
We are Rachel weeping for her children.
We are Noah setting his feet on dry ground.
We are Preacher Casey and Tom Joad.
We are the ones with AIDS hospices in our rectories and homeless shelters in our basements.
We are the widow with her mite.
We are the woman at the well.

We pray for the dead and work like hell for the living.
We afflict the comfortable and comfort the afflicted.
We make the Kingdom of God manifest.

We are your sons and daughters.
We are your fathers and mothers.
We are your sisters and brothers.

We will break bread with Pharisees and lepers.
We will dine with sinners and tax collectors.
We will be a neighbor to all, even to our enemies.

For are we not the Body of Christ? What else can we do?
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Originally Posted by datan
"public prayer" is sinful?
that's the first time I've heard it.
Yeah. It's widely underplayed.

do you mean like when the pastor gets up in front of the church and prays?
No. That's shared. I mean, say, people ostentatiously gathering in public to show off how they pray. Nowadays, they say things like "reminding people that this is a Christian nation". Christ forbade it, and for good reasons.
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For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord. -- Romans 8:38-39
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CaDan said it excellently. Did you write that just now, or is it from somewhere, or what?
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For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord. -- Romans 8:38-39
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CaDan said it excellently. Did you write that just now, or is it from somewhere, or what?
Just wrote it up. That's why I make the BIG MONEY!

Obviously, parts are well known quotes.

It started with Noah. I don't know why--I just started thinking about how Noah must have felt when he stepped out of the ark onto dry ground again. I don't even know what it means.

And for those of you who want to give me trouble about the Flood, read my profile first!
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