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Enoch

Book of Enoch.
Worth studying seriously?


Secrets of the Book of Enoch.

1. Son of Man named and revealed, even before time, sun, moon, star.

2. And it said sinners would be dragged off to Hell.. before time, sun, moon, stars where even created.

3. Orbital paths, equinoxes, six portals revealed. Constellations and workings of Heaven, understanding of seasons, phases of the moon, years, days, hours described.

4. Talks of Heaven, Hell, Paradise, Tree of Life. And Angels and Angelical hosts.

5. Enoch perfectly describes a black hole. And that black holes are the holding cell for fallen stars.

6. Enoch describes fallen angels mating with humans, creating Nephilium. Literal Giants, half-breeds.
He also describes dinosaurs.


Get you to thinking about what all is out there, waiting for Christians to discover. The most powerful Word from God are those that arent preached.
But, you also have to ponder why the occult and the freemasons use this book in their rituals. And the knowledge it provides.

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Book of Enoch-

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I've read most of that "book" already and found several discrepancies that directly contradict God's Word. One of those is- It refers to there being "7 Heavens", where God's Word only refers to there being 3.

I'll have to go back thru my research, but can provide Scripture foundations in God's Word and the other examples I particularly noted and why I rejected "Enoch's "Book' as "God Breathed"-(spoken), as His only true Word was by Him.

Besides the fact there are also major Christian Research Sources out there who have publicly published this same info I picked out, as well as more yet, to claim this is why the Earlier church Leaders who came across this "Book" never accepted it into the "Canon of Scripture."

Also- According to those other sources, they are of the belief that other people in later centuries were actually the author of those writings and not such as "Enoch's Book" , the person its named after.

I'm really quite supprised that people hadn't seen what I mention and the other points I can share if they've actually read the "Book of Enoch" and knows God's True Word well enough to pick out those discrepancies- falsehoods.

How I see this subject-

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Enoch and the Word of God

It's not really true to say that "the Earlier church Leaders who came across this "Book" never accepted it into the Canon of Scripture."

The 2nd and 3rd century church didn't have an official canon, but if they had, Enoch would definitely have been in some of them. The Book of Enoch influences almost every Ante-Nicene writing, and it is directly quoted in Jude. Also, Jesus' description of Hades in Luke is very similar to that which is in Enoch.

The idea that books are the completely inspired Word of God or they're just not inspired is really rather new. It was a long time before the Church picked up such an idea. Even as late as A.D. 390, Augustine was talking about books that some churches accepted and others didn't.

Early church leaders clearly had some idea of degrees of inspiration, even as the Jews still do today. Paul's letter to the Corinthians carried more authority than, say, Jude, because Corinthians was accepted by all the churches, but Jude was in question by some.

Enoch on the other hand is used pretty universally in the early church, though no one says, "The Book of Enoch is part of the Bible."

However, that's because there was no official canon, so lists weren't often made. The Muratorian Fragment is the only one that dates before the 4th century.

So, really, it's your idea of the canon that wasn't accepted by the early Church leaders. Enoch was accepted by them and often used.

You might want to do a study some time and see how the writers of Scripture used the term "The Word of God." It was only occasionally a reference to Scripture, and it certainly wasn't simply an interchangeable term for the Scriptures as a whole.
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Bump... Im interested in this discussion being taken up further. Two very different responses and from people who are new to CF. Anyone else willing to chime in?
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I've read most of that "book" already and found several discrepancies that directly contradict God's Word. One of those is- It refers to there being "7 Heavens", where God's Word only refers to there being 3.
Where does God ever say there are 3 heavens?

Jesus has this to say:

"In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you." -- Jesus Christ, extraterrestrial, John 14:2
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"Between the celestials [angels] and the Asuras [fallen angels], there happened, of yore, frequent encounters for the sovereignty of the three worlds with everything in them." -- Mahabharata, Book I: Adi Parva, Section LXXVI, 8th century B.C.

"... ye are of this world; I am not of this world." -- Jesus Christ, extraterrestrial, John 8:23

"All the sacred scriptures are a gift of God to humanity." -- Brother John Martin Sahajananda, monk, Guidelines For Interreligious Dialogue, January 2009
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lol, of course if you accept the Deuterocanon as God's word, like the early church did in the Councils of Hippo in 393 A.D. and the Council of Carthage in 397 A.D., then it is rather hard to dismiss it as contradicting God's Word..... because the Deuterocanon IS God's word. Anyways.
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I have only read it once, and quite quickly at that.

I don't hold it as scriptural. I do hold the canon set forth by the Council of Carthage in the forth century.

The Ethiopian Orthodox Church has Enoch 1 as part of its canon.
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I have heard that the whole Bible is correct; if understood the right way. I believe the whole entire Bible is the inspired, infallible, correct word of God; if understood correctly.

What about the fallen angels mating with humans; in Enoch? Im counfused.
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To Adelie.....

You dont hold the book of Enoch as scriptural?

Im pretty sure that the canon set by the council of Carthage in the 4th century included Enoch.
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I have read and reread the Book Of Enoch, there is much there to understand and it gives more understanding to the scriptures. The early Jews of Jesus obviously read this book and studied it, so did the the profits, why else would they have quoted it. Do an study of Daniel then read Enoch you will see a very close conection. Ask God to give you revelation when you read, it is He who opens your mind to the scriptures. May God richly Bless His word to our Hearts.
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