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Evolution discussion, I need help with apeman ideas
I am on a forum and I am getting my tail kicked by the amount of info out tere dealing with evolution and mankind. Basically here is so much info on "Lucy" the other remains of what could be human or ape that I can not find a decent article to refute evolutionary claims. This is eith dueto a complete lack of refuteing evidence as the evolutionist will claim or that the evidence has been made to appear a certain way. Either way I need to show the truth here that God created man as we are today and there were never any cavemen or homo-nithic ect,..
Just some evidence showing massive flaws in the way the scientist use data or the implimentation of supposed facts would help allot. I am fighting a loseing battle here and I hope I am not without recourse. I thank anyone with any info that can assist here.
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I am on a forum and I am getting my tail kicked by the amount of info out tere dealing with evolution and mankind. Basically here is so much info on "Lucy" the other remains of what could be human or ape that I can not find a decent article to refute evolutionary claims. This is eith dueto a complete lack of refuteing evidence as the evolutionist will claim or that the evidence has been made to appear a certain way. Either way I need to show the truth here that God created man as we are today and there were never any cavemen or homo-nithic ect,..
Just some evidence showing massive flaws in the way the scientist use data or the implimentation of supposed facts would help allot. I am fighting a loseing battle here and I hope I am not without recourse. I thank anyone with any info that can assist here.
But what if there were cavemen?
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Yeah. If there's so much evidence for man having a common ancestor with other apes, how do you know YOU'RE not the one in the wrong, here?
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Yeah. If there's so much evidence for man having a common ancestor with other apes, how do you know YOU'RE not the one in the wrong, here?
I know I'mnot wrong because of the following:
Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
To say we have a common ancestor with apes, to me is saying God is an ape. And God is NOT an ape!
God Bless
Melissa
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Or dust.
Gen 2:6 and a mist was going up from the land and was watering the whole face of the ground--
7 then the LORD God formed the man of dust from the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living creature.
God can't form man in his image out from a common ancestor with apes or God would be an ape. So if God makes man in his image from dust it must mean God is dust or mud.
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No I don't believe He is human (as you and I). God made us in His own likeness. To me that means He gave us the ability to rationalize, grasp the concept of sin, know right from wrong, and the ability to sit down and read the Bible and either believe it is the Word of God or totally discredit it.
I have yet to come across another species which has the capabilities of doing such.
I also believe He came in the flesh as Jesus Christ. Now to say that Jesus was an ape that went around preaching the word of God, really?
__________________ Matthew 6:33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.
No I don't believe He is human (as you and I). God made us in His own likeness. To me that means He gave us the ability to rationalize, grasp the concept of sin, know right from wrong, and the ability to sit down and read the Bible and either believe it is the Word of God or totally discredit it.
Right. All of which has to do with our spiritual disposition and not our biological make-up. So what does it matter if we acknowledge that, biologically, we are apes? That isn't to say that we don't also bear the image of God. Even the Bible suggests we had a common origin with other animals in the ground from which we were made, as Assyrian points out.
I also believe He came in the flesh as Jesus Christ. Now to say that Jesus was an ape that went around preaching the word of God, really?
Is it really any different from acknowledging that Jesus was a mammal? Or a vertebrate?
__________________ We can allow satellites, planets, suns, universe, nay whole systems of universes, to be governed by laws, but the smallest insect, we wish to be created at once by special act.
Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
To say we have a common ancestor with apes, to me is saying God is an ape. And God is NOT an ape!
God Bless
Melissa
I think you are misinterpreating Genesis 1. Contrary to polular belief, a literal concept of the creation accounts (yes there is 2 of them, and they are in different orders) is not the traditional view, but only been around for a few hundred years.
It also seems a contradiction to be offended that God could have made man from a lesser species, because that is clearly not God's image, and be completely fine with man being made from dust, which is a symbol for death and fragility in the Hebrew culture - and God is definately not fragile.
Image of God is also a wider discussed topic, with few conclusive ideas on what it means. Is it our physical appearance? Our ability to have emotion? Our rational thinking? All of those things? Something entirely different? - none of these would be impacted at all were God to form man using an to be formed by an evolutionary process.
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