Evolution discussion, I need help with apeman ideas

Who said that?

Originally Posted by Siyha

Who said that?

John 10:30
I and my Father are one.

John 13:13
Ye call me Master and Lord: and ye say well; for so I am.

1 John 4:2,3
2Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
3And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

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Matthew 6:33
But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.

Jesus was fully God and fully human.

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I think you are missing out the significance of the incarnation. That the Son of God emptied and humbled himself to become man. You seem to think becoming human is great, we are so wonderful, what deity wouldn't want to become one of us? But an ape? Yeuch! they smell, scratch themselves and throw poo. But it is us humans who are the ones who are morally filthy. Seriously every time I hear this arguement I think of the parable of the Pharisee and the tax collector . The Creationist, standing by himself, prayed thus: 'God, I thank you that we are not like other creatures, we are so wonderful you were really honoured to become one of us. But the gorilla, standing far off, would not even lift up his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying, 'God, be merciful to me, a simian!'

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Again, who said Jesus was an ape?

No evidence for evolution? Just google "evidence for evolution" and you will find quite a few sites explaining the abundant evidence for evolution. The second link being hosted on the Berkeley edu site. You really need to look at the info outside of your current bias.

You are trying the wrong argument. There is tons of evidence for evolution because it happened (and is always happening). I'm sure that it's a part of God's plan. Don't trust some 3,000+ year old ancient tribes to tell you science and history. Genesis is ancient hebrew mythology, treat it as such.

The REAL question you need to be asking is about the first living organisms. I have studied molecular cell biology and that has only increased my faith in God. The living cell is an extremely complex thing. In Darwin's day, what man though of living cells was nothing compared to what we know about them now. If man thought a living cell was like a Model T Ford back then, today we know that they are more like the Starship Enterprise.

I can understand man back then thinking it possible for there to be some "soup" of molecules and lightning which created the first living cells, but knowing what we know today, that's just impossible. There is absolutely no evidence for life coming from just plain molecules evolving and the very few hypothethis that I have heard are completely outlandish and have aboslutely no evidence. In truth NOBODY knows how life first formed and nobody tries to say that they know.

I don't like the old "God of the gaps" arguments, but there is just no way this can be done without some supernatural help. I also believe that evolution has been helped along by God, but that's just a personal belief with no evidence.

That concept is what was thought about many of the things we now know a natural solution for.

this is true, but science also says that the cell is the most basic living thing, nothing inside the cell is living, how can non-living things evolve? How can instructions for creating complex proteins be encoded in simple strands of atoms. How could something have evolved to read this encoded info and then something else have evolved to interpret the code and produce the proteins?

It just does not make sense, these are not living creatures, they are just other strands of atoms. Just *poof* here is a language, something to encode it in, something to read it and something to manufacture based on its contents. Without these essential things the cell cannot reproduce, reproduction is essential to evolution. These are just the most basic parts of the cell, not including the nuclear power plant which generates the power for the cell to do things like taking in atoms which it needs and disposing of other atoms.

Your questions would get much better answers were you brave enough to venture into the Creation / Evolution subforum #70.

I don't have enough posts to show you a link, but if you search google for "self replicating RNA" you should find the article I'm referring to.

Quote from it: "They have synthesized RNA enzymes that can replicate themselves indefinitely without the help of any proteins or other cellular components."