Honest Question

Well I think if you honestly want to know why people reject creation and instead choose to believe evoultion you need to read 2 Peter chapter 3 and pay close attention to verses 3 to 6

1 This second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you; in both which I stir up your pure minds by way of remembrance:
2 That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour:
3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
5 For this they willinglyare ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. 11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.
15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.
18 But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.

because if you teach ignorance in schools you end up retarding your next generation.

ID and creationim are thigns you are welcome to believe, but really help us nothing with explaining reality, in fact to hold these belife seriously most of the time, you have to deny reality.

if human kin dis to progress ANYTHING we should be denyign reality, and we cerainly should be teachign denying reality to our kids.
especially not ina public place where you affect other kids.

the concept of an ignroant amrican yough frightens me, you have the biggest military power in the world.
do i really want some people who believe that the earht can be ravaged, because it was given to us by god for that sole reason, or that we should be trying to learn mroe about livign things because we "shouldn't play god", in power?

do i really want people who believe that god will justify them when they fight wars, sittign behind the nuclear switch?

religions segregates, retards (that;s dogma for you) and mislead people (lying for jezus and televangelist begging for cash)

you can belive whatever the hell you want just don't let somehtign imaginary affect other people.
like prohibiting gay marriage because fo levidicus.
or force a woman to keep a child she cannot raise, because you think that a parasitic clump of rapidly dividing cells is a equal to a fully developed human being.

the same is said by many of the evolutionists in this world. Labels unfortunately don't tell us who is right and who is wrong, or even if there is a third choice. How does a belief in Creation/ID equal ravaging the earth....in fact, in Gen. man is instructed by God to care for the earth. This would be a command taken literally by the creationist that looks literally at Gen. it seems you have a gross misunderstanding of creation/ID and the people who believe our world to have been created. religion is different than belief, but makes me wonder why you would bring up your views of religion at all? Your venom seems misplaced.

ig you did that, then you'd see how screwed up the ratio is.

you can spend 5 hours reading different articles which all rely ont eh predictions made by and subsequently confirm ToE or you cna spend 5 hours reading and rereading creationist arguments. which for the most parts are simple please designd for scientific illiterates, please and arguments that have been long bedunked and just keep being repeated.

like the bacterial flagellum.
the moon's distance /dust layer proves young earth.
a flood could account for the strata layers
all mutations are detrimental.
there are no transitional fossils.

ect

if you read all the articles, and then examined the rebuttals, you see that all the creationist argument can be roughyl split into 3 catagories

lies (quotemines and the like)
misunderstandings (strawmen and and ignorance)
shotty reasoning (false dichotomy and other false logic.)

"]the same is said by many of the evolutionists in this world. Labels unfortunately don't tell us who is right and who is wrong, or even if there is a third choice"

we have evidence to back up or claims and we have a model that makes predictions that work.

what do you have?

" How does a belief in Creation/ID equal ravaging the earth....in fact, in Gen. man is instructed by God to care for the earth. This would be a command taken literally by the creationist that looks literally at Gen. "

-_-
it's here for our sole purpose, ant it will be gone quite soon (most creos will probably also take revelations literally)
sooo why think ahead 10 000 years, if it's gonna be gone within a few 10s or 100s?

"it seems you have a gross misunderstanding of creation/ID and the people who believe our world to have been created. "

from what i've seen. it doesn't seem unlikely that these people will trow a bomb or two on those who "defile" their religion. look at extremist muslims. most of em are creationists too.
but it's more the mentality that these people tend to ahve agains science.
or to put it in Ben Steins idiotic words"

"faith leads you to a better place, science leads you to killing people"

and als, if these people tend to be ignorant enough to buy creationist argument, they tend to be ignorant enough to buy...lets say "they got WMD's!" claims out of hand.

if there wouldn't be creo's lobbying for teachign creationism as science, i wouldn't be whining.

if there would be people claimign divine inspiration in spousign the message "god hates [wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth]" i would be whining.
if people would buy into faith healing and sink into misery and dept, i wouldn't whine.

but they do.
and it's not just because of their beliefs, its because of the way you practice (and spread them).
and the OP question was, "why you i care"

because people tend to spread such beliefs.

"Your venom seems misplaced."

i bite when people spread it, not when they keep it to themselves.

they claim the same for evolution, only problem is, casting such judgments doesn't answer the question you are responding to.

Me or creationist? They claim the same, evidence....that is the problem with your argument, it relies on name calling and unverifiable conclusions, so that you can hope to belittle the opposition and in doing so, gain ground for your own opinions and biases. well, from a literalist standpoint, because it is God's command, God's word as given in the bible specifically the very same Gen. where the story of creation is taken from. actually, a great many of the creationist/idists I know and have run into, love science, so again, it seems you have a gross misunderstanding. It appears you are mischaracterizing people so you can justify your own prejudice.

problem is for them, when you actually examine the claim (start reading the articles) you see that they lied.

do you ever wonder why science has held on to ToE?
because after all that research it still works.

oh ya, and this wasn't really an answer to the question, it was more a reply to his conclusion.

"religion is different than belief, but makes me wonder why you would bring up your views of religion at all? "

because you practice your beliefs in religion.

this kind of approach ca be done to most of the "similar evidence" they claim.

't relies on name calling "

no not even the slightest. although i do tend to add in some insults when the rest of the argument has justified them.

like responding to "all mutations are bad"
with
"nylonaise you ignorant ****"

"and unverifiable conclusions,"

no, if they were they wouldn't be science.
and don't even try "evolution is unfalsibiable"

PRECAMBRIAM BUNNIES.

"so that you can hope to belittle the opposition and in doing so, gain ground for your own opinions and biases. "

if you're (creationists) ignorant and stupid enough to think i fall for half baked reasoning, half truths and lies, i call you out on it, and hard.

"well, from a literalist standpoint,"

what other reason do you have to accept genesis as factual?
or what other reason then a literal holy text do you have to believe a god made all of this?

"actually, a great many of the creationist/idists I know and have run into, love science, so again, it seems you have a gross misunderstanding."

love science ay? the benefits or the actual method and it's intellectual rewards?

because if they loved the latte,r they would be trying to push creation "science", i'll take Hovind as a good example of why some creationists obviously do NOT love science. or better yet, look at AV or Dad.

"It appears you are mischaracterizing people so you can justify your own prejudice."

i said probably. i never took a hardcore "they do".

is i and a bible literalist see a yet unexplained phenomena,
who's more likely to attribute it to magic (god)?

"true belief is practised everyday of your life, in every way, not just in religion. Even you are living out your beliefs right here in a friendly discussion about the origins of life."

here we get into the semantics again.
my "belief" isn't the same as a "belief" in god.
EG: my belief requires evidence and critical thinking based conclusions. belief in god, needs not.

"they say the same of evolutionists. "
difference is we don't do it in the name of some (possibly) nonexistant being.
ToE IS real and it DOES explain reality. eg: it WORKS.

"more mischaracterizations, I wonder what fringe group you have come into contact with that makes you so hateful? "

im not over generalizing you. i actually AIM for those fringe groups.
and creationist ARE a fringe group imo, and to the scientific community.

if you got rid of religion, these people lose all their justificationa dn woul have to start to THINK what their real justification is.

"So you believe people should not talk about things they believe, so that people who agree with you can have all the vocal? That is pretty lopsided"

noooooo. i think if you're gonna claim i should believe somehting and you fail to back it up enough, and i call you on it. you should whine.

i also think that if you state that you have such a belief and you give your justification and i call you on the (to me) apparent lack thereof, you also shouldn't whine.

"There are many different viewpoints in this world, some agree with you, others oppose it, all have value, just as all people have value."

yup, and arguments stand on their merit.
if they have non, i will say so.

" You may think you are judge and jury"

in deciding the value of evidence, they are the same thing.
and i DO believe you are also your own judge of evidence?

" you may think you are god, of superior knowledge and understanding,"

HAHAHA...only a deulsional fool would claim so.
wierdly enoguh people who do alwys seem to be grasping a book they claim to have gotten it out of...wierd...

"but in the end, you are just a human being like the rest of us,"

and that's why i want to see us all workign together to further the knowledge of mankind.
and that's why i an so vacal about creationism and ID.

"our ideas and beliefs are as valid as yours."

valid, yes. correct. no.
the value of your position is only as strong as the evidecne you ahve to bakc it up.

" Our knowledge and understanding as viable as yours."
noooo, my knowledge of mollusks is less then someone who spent, say, 5 years studying them
experts are called experts for a reason.
ignorance doesn't equip you to arguing something. i see this way to often in creationists.

" Finding truth in the midst of all the voices in this world, is a quest that every wise human being will venture to go on."

you and i and everone else is on that quest right now, the differenc is where we say "ok i'll buy that".

some do, just like some evolutionists lie, others don't, just like some of the evolutionists. That is why conclusions have to be based on evidence not claims made if we hope to find truth. actually, there are many scientists who believe in creation, and the really amazing thing is that in most of the cases, the science supports both the ToE and Creation.