Challenge on prayer and hymns to Arminians.

Name 1 known hymn or 1 prayer that affirms your philosophy.

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Originally Posted by simonthezealot

Name 1 known hymn or 1 prayer that affirms your philosophy.

I'm NOT an Arminian (or a TULIP Calvinist), but I'll bite....

Some that come to my mind, just off the top of my head that could at least be regarded as Arminian...

"Softly and Tenderly Jesus is Calling"
"Just as I Am"
"The Savior is Waiting"
"I Have Decided to Follow Jesus"
"I Surrender All"

Give me a good Methodist hymnal and I'll bet I can come up with quite a list, lol. But those immediately sprung to my mind.



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I doubt there will be many self-affirming Armnians responding as it seems to me that those who actually hold positions close to that belief, as in the Soteriology section, quickly run from the title.

I am not an Arminian, so one hymn that springs to mind is "O Love That Wilt Not Let Me Go". I also like many of the Psalms, but you asked for a hymn and not a Psalm.

One of the oddest Arminian hymns I have encountered is the popular, "Must Jesus Bear the Cross Alone?"

In any event, I hope that some Arminians might step up to the plate for us.

I don't pay attention to hymn titles in church or I'd be glad to respond :S

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While I am pretty new to the whole Arminian/Calvanist debate here goes...using Proverbs 1:27-32 as a template for the prayer.


I pray that when calamity overtakes you like a storm,
when disaster sweeps over you like a whirlwind,
when distress and trouble overwhelm you. "Then they will call to you Lord but that you will not answer;
they will look for you but will not find you.
Since they hated knowledge
and did not choose to fear the LORD,
since they would not accept your advice
and spurned your rebukes,
they will eat the fruit of their ways
and be filled with the fruit of their schemes.
For the waywardness of the simple will kill them,
and the complacency of fools will destroy them;
Amen

How's that : )

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Mark 11:24-26 (New International Version)

24Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours. 25And when you stand praying, if you hold anything against anyone, forgive him, so that your Father in heaven may forgive you your sins."

1. Humans are naturally unable to make any effort towards salvation (see also prevenient grace).
2. Salvation is possible only by God's grace, which cannot be merited.
3. No works of human effort can cause or contribute to salvation.
4. God's election is conditional on faith in the sacrifice and Lordship of Jesus Christ.
5. Christ's atonement was made on behalf of all people.
6. God allows his grace to be resisted by those who freely reject Christ.
7. Salvation can be lost, as continued salvation is conditional upon continued faith.

I don't completely agree with the above Arminian tenents, but I agree
with several, so which ones are you mainly referring to? I'm guessing
number 6 or 7, am i close?

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That is a good one. I do not normally pigeon hole myself to any denomination of belief system, but Arminianism is one I will gladly accept

Originally Posted by sunlover1

1. Humans are naturally unable to make any effort towards salvation (see also prevenient grace).
2. Salvation is possible only by God's grace, which cannot be merited.
3. No works of human effort can cause or contribute to salvation.
4. God's election is conditional on faith in the sacrifice and Lordship of Jesus Christ.
5. Christ's atonement was made on behalf of all people.
6. God allows his grace to be resisted by those who freely reject Christ.
7. Salvation can be lost, as continued salvation is conditional upon continued faith.

I don't completely agree with the above Arminian tenents, but I agree
with several, so which ones are you mainly referring to? I'm guessing
number 6 or 7, am i close?

Yes, sorry i should have spelled out better, been a busy day. Deal is i was thinking about some of John Wesley's work and said to myself "dude was a closet calvinist" voila' a thread of a different nature.

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~So take my heart And make it new~
~Make it true,And make it like you~
~Take my hands,I lift them high~
~They're yours not mine to do, Do what you will~

Could somebody post exactly what Arminianism means in relation to this thread so the newbies and myself can grasp what's being asked?

Catholics believe that we can only through His grace do we have any hope, but we are free to accept or reject that grace, Arminianism is a Protestant theology created by a Calvinist, so it does not pretaine to the Catholic Church

Act of Contrition

My God, I am sorry for my sins with all my heart. In choosing to do wrong
and failing to do good, I have sinned against you whom I should love above
all things. I firmly intend, with your help, to do penance, to sin no more,
and to avoid whatever leads me to sin. Our Savior Jesus Christ suffered and
died for us. In his name, my God, have mercy.

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