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8th May 2009, 09:42 PM
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Reps: 40,143,535,222,134,136 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by Hismessenger  Hisdaughterjen,
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But the scripture which says unless those days be shortened should no flesh be saved, speaks of the tribulation being shortened for the sake of the ELECT.
So now are we going to say that there are more elect to be gathered. The elect is also the church. Have you ever read the prophesy of the two sticks. If you haven't then you should because it shows us where the two become one Jew and Gentile which occurs during the millennium reign. So how many times is Christ suppose to come for his people?
I only know of two. One to resurrect and the other to rapture/resurrect in the last day. Jesus said I will raise you up in the last day more than a few times. I believe I would trust Him over man. He said to trust no man.
I'm not giving you a doctrine, only asking you to look for yourself. The truth is there if you seek for it.
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1 Thess 4:13-18 and 1 Cor 15 shows that there is a resurrection and catching away of the church.
Joel 2 describes a gathering of God's people and the Bride leaving.
Rev 7 shows Israel sealed on earth while the church is standing in heaven.
Rev 12 shows the church removed and spiritual Israel hiding in the wilderness.  |
8th May 2009, 09:42 PM
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Right. And furthermore, an imperfect body cannot enter Heaven. We must be resurrected to incorruptible before we can enter. So if we get raptured, we will have to have new bodies. |
8th May 2009, 09:44 PM
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Reps: 40,143,535,222,134,136 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by A Brother In Christ 1 thes 5:1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you. 2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. why is this ... 1 cor 1:22 For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom: why is this important... 2 cor 5:7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight
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The scripture I quoted in Joel 2 does not contradict the scripture you quoted. I don't see the problem/issue you have. |
8th May 2009, 09:47 PM
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Reps: 92,159,541,136 (power: 92,159,553) | | | Yes and it will be fore the Day of the Lord
shown in scripture as we are the 24 elders in heaven... rev 4-5
notice the elders are not mentioned after Rev 19:4
why ... Marriage the the groom and bride taken place in Rev 19:8 |
8th May 2009, 10:24 PM
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Reps: 40,143,535,222,134,136 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by NJBeliever Right. And furthermore, an imperfect body cannot enter Heaven. We must be resurrected to incorruptible before we can enter. So if we get raptured, we will have to have new bodies.
Amen!....which is why 1 Cor 15:52+ and 1 Thess 4:13-18 and even Joel 2 (bride leaving at the last trumpet) are all speaking of the same moment. |
8th May 2009, 10:25 PM
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Reps: 40,143,535,222,134,136 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by A Brother In Christ Yes and it will be fore the Day of the Lord
shown in scripture as we are the 24 elders in heaven... rev 4-5
notice the elders are not mentioned after Rev 19:4
why ... Marriage the the groom and bride taken place in Rev 19:8
The marriage takes place when the Bride is given her "fine linen bright and clean" (see seal #5).
The marriage supper is what comes later. |
8th May 2009, 11:40 PM
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9th May 2009, 12:35 AM
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Reps: 25,098,236,542,439,984 (power: 25,098,236,542,447) | | | Rev 20 shows the church/Elect, still here on the earth, not raptured or resurrected but flesh and blood Saints. Confirmed by Mat 24. Less those days be shortened, no flesh should be saved. This is after the tribulation Jen. Not before. It is during the thousand year reign, not before . They will be raised up to meet him in the air, in the last day. After the thousand year reign has expired.
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9th May 2009, 12:41 AM
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Reps: 42,256,237,674,769,616 (power: 42,256,237,674,773) | | Originally Posted by Hismessenger Rev 20 shows the church/Elect, still here on the earth, not raptured or resurrected but flesh and blood Saints. Confirmed by Mat 24. Less those days be shortened, no flesh should be saved. This is after the tribulation Jen. Not before. It is during the thousand year reign, not before . They will be raised up to meet him in the air, in the last day. After the thousand year reign has expired.
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Then who are the multitude of believers who suddenly appear in Heaven, standing before The Lamb (as Jesus said in Luke 21) after the 6th seal? |
9th May 2009, 01:26 AM
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Reps: 25,098,236,542,439,984 (power: 25,098,236,542,447) | | | How many eons is the earth Old and how many have died with Christ in their heart in this time . They don't have to be raptured saints but those who have waited under the altar for the rest to be taken. The church will not receive any more glory than those who have gone on before us. look at the workers in the field. Those who came last received the same wages as those who had been there all along. The ones left are the remnant which God leaves to be a witness for His glory and to his glory. Did He not say that He would leave a remnant?
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