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pauls writings were to his churches he established, which probably did not completely understand the nature of christs mission here on earth; so he was explaining the significance of christ's sacrifice which most people here would agree is very important.
__________________ John 8:58 verily I say unto you before Abraham was I AM.
Jude 24 now to him who is able to keep you from falling and to present you before his glorious presence without fault and with great joy
Legalism is a heart attitude- God calls for a loving obedience to him and his word.
I looked at the front page for Sherry Shriner. I'm not looking for a religious explanation for my alien abduction.
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I assumed that meant there is a denomination-specific theology group who are non-Pauline Christians. (Christians Only)
I just wanted to know who they were and what their beliefs and practices are. I don't think that would involve UFOs. I think it would involve celibrating the living Jesus, the stories of his life and teachings. As I said before, based on his writings, it looks like Paul didn't know much about that. Where can I find a Jesus-centered Christianity?
well from what I've seen of those who deny paul was an apostle generally only follow the teachings of christ ( which is not a bad thing at all) but tend to be the judiazers tha paul warned the galatians about- they rail against him saying he was a wolf in sheeps clothing and a lawless man- I point out sherry shriner because she is a non pauline 'christian' just mixed a completely bonkers view of the scripture. she gives reasons for her not liking paul also if you are willing to looking through the trash
__________________ John 8:58 verily I say unto you before Abraham was I AM.
Jude 24 now to him who is able to keep you from falling and to present you before his glorious presence without fault and with great joy
Legalism is a heart attitude- God calls for a loving obedience to him and his word.
I assumed that meant there is a denomination-specific theology group who are non-Pauline Christians. (Christians Only)
I just wanted to know who they were and what their beliefs and practices are.
I do not know of any Christian denomination that denies the teachings of Paul. Why don't you check out the unorthodox theology or Messianic Judaism section.
Read the Bible? Well that's what started this... Seeing what Jesus preached, seeing how deeply offended Jewish leaders were at his teachings. Because of this, the Jewish leaders work out a deal with the occupying Roman military to hold a quickie trial and put him to death. That does not solve their problem. The followers of Jesus continue to increase. At this time, Saul had absolutely nothing to do with these believers. He was in training to be a rabbi, and at the same time a Roman citizen. Obviously from a very influential family. he was a young man involved in hit squads attacking these heretics of Judiasm and killing a loudmouth named Stephen, and "Saul tried to destroy the church; going from house to house, he dragged out the believers, both men and women, and threw them into jail." Then, while on a road trip to make a hit, something really bazarre happened to him. There was this blinding bright light in the sky (Abducted by aliens or something, maybe Sherry Shriner who you have been reading can tell you more about that than I can.) At the very least, he's left temporarily blinded, his confidence is shaken and he goes into hiding in a new city and changes his name. He lives with a follower of Jesus, takes a quiet job making tents and stays out of sight for several years.
Eventually, he steps forward with this new theology (I have a hard time believing this is what followers of Jesus were talking about before Paul started teaching it to them) explaining they should be glad we -uhm, -they... killed him -uhm -that he died. Sure, he was a teacher, but really, dying well is the most important thing Jesus ever did. That's why the the gospels spend so much time telling the details of his trial, crusifiction and everything else that happened that week. That's the part of the story Paul, and his writer friend Luke knew the most about. He had heard the details from the inside when he was a young man.
According to the Jewish Law Paul was well trained in, God needs animal sacrifices. But, see? Killing Jesus is even better. Jesus was a good guy. He was sinless, he was perfect. He was the perfect... sacrifice!
It just doesn't pass the smell test to me. That's why I'm here asking these questions.
I personally think the idea of animal sacrifices turns my stomach. I would not want my neighbors doing it and would be in favor of laws that outlaw it as a barbaric religious practice. I don't think that because Jesus grew up in a Jewish household, that means we need to embrace everything the Jews did. I don't think I would be any more excited about animal sacrifices if I lived 2100 years in a jewish city. If there is a connection between the two, what made God decide he needed a human sacrifice (Jesus) instead of animal sacrifice?
I look at the death of Jesus as capital punishment. A quite literal interpretation of "The wages of sin is death." Jesus took strong positions against current Jewish practices, offended influential people, and he was sentanced to die for it. It's a sad story. It's not one that makes me want to applaud. I find nothing to celebrate in that often-told story. I am looking for a pastor who will say, "Yes, Jesus died. And it breaks my heart." Somehow, that attitude is completely absent from every corner of Chrisitanity I have ever encountered.
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If you think Jesus was a guy who told people to be nice to each other, help the poor and stuff, and not to judge, then you're only half right.
Jesus said some crazy stuff. He said He was GOD! He also said He was a Man. He said that He came from God in order to be crucified and die so that the world would be brought to Himself. Jesus told His followers that they would be persecuted and killed. He said that in order to be His follower, you have to give up everything you are and have, even your family. He said that anyone who follows Him but looks back on the world isn't worthy to be His follower. He said that He was not here to bring peace but a sword. He said you have to pick up your cross, be crucified and die with Him in order to be His follower. But, He said, after He is killed, He would rise again after three days and the people who die with Him will be raised from the dead with Him. He told his followers that He was going to be sacrificed. He even told everyone to eat His Flesh and drink His Blood so they could live forever (many people freaked out at that one!)
Yeah, you could cut out all the stuff about sacrifice and being God and stuff, but you'd have a very short and boring collection of sayings. That's what Thomas Jefferson and The Jesus Seminar did. But when do you see Jesus Seminar people out there living like Mother Theresa or St. Francis? That is what Jesus told people to do. Jesus had message of radical living and dying to save the world. St. Paul expounded upon that, yes, but you pick any one of the four Gospels and you'll get the same message.
You either accept all of what Jesus is saying or why should you accept any of it? Anyone can preach about peace and love, but only the God-Man could bring men to God. That's the Gospel.
Examples of Non-Pauline Christians? 
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