That was precisely my reasoning for opposing the debate forum when I was on staff. Moving a problem to another area doesn't solve the problem. It simply moves the problem.
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That was precisely my reasoning for opposing the debate forum when I was on staff. Moving a problem to another area doesn't solve the problem. It simply moves the problem.
Yes. What Balance said. CF already has rules about the bickering and fighting. Just enforce them.
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so to sum up Robin, you've asked for suggestions and you've gotten three from us:
1. close the debate forum.
2. sticky the commonly argued threads.
3. enforce the flaming rule.
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Thank you for your suggestions I really appreciate it.
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I'd like to address a point that was raised in the non-WoF forum.
It was suggested that the reason we would like to see the debate forum done away with is because we are unable to debate our position and want to "censor" viewpoints that disagree with ours.
That is complete and utter nonsense.
Their brilliant solution to the problem? Allow people to lie, slander, and intentionally misrepresent WoF beliefs at will, and just don't respond to it. At all. Just let people merrily go about spreading misinformation and lies. After all, no one is making anyone read any of it...
Of course, they see no problem with this, because it is not their beliefs that are slandered day in and day out, in thread after thread (after thread after thread). But just let someone question them or their motives, and they write posts the size of Orwellian novels to defend what they said. But that's different, I suppose, somehow...
I belong to secular forums that are more civilized and wouldn't put up with half the crap that goes on in the "debate" forum. It has never ceased to amaze me what is permitted here in this "Christian" forum under the guise of "debate".
As I've said many times over in the time I've been at CF, I welcome debate, but the vast majority of what happens in the debate forum could not be construed as "debate" by even the most broad definition of the word.
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I'd like to address a point that was raised in the non-WoF forum.
It was suggested that the reason we would like to see the debate forum done away with is because we are unable to debate our position and want to "censor" viewpoints that disagree with ours.
That is complete and utter nonsense.
Their brilliant solution to the problem? Allow people to lie, slander, and intentionally misrepresent WoF beliefs at will, and just don't respond to it. At all. Just let people merrily go about spreading misinformation and lies. After all, no one is making anyone read any of it...
Of course, they see no problem with this, because it is not their beliefs that are slandered day in and day out, in thread after thread (after thread after thread). But just let someone question them or their motives, and they write posts the size of Orwellian novels to defend what they said. But that's different, I suppose, somehow...
I belong to secular forums that are more civilized and wouldn't put up with half the crap that goes on in the "debate" forum. It has never ceased to amaze me what is permitted here in this "Christian" forum under the guise of "debate".
As I've said many times over in the time I've been at CF, I welcome debate, but the vast majority of what happens in the debate forum could not be construed as "debate" by even the most broad definition of the word.
That was evidenced by the responses to the moratorium.
I mean no offense whatsoever, but it seems like we have tried everything but enforcing policy.
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Please focus on the subject at hand. If you have any suggestions of how to resolve the issue between WOF / Non-WOF I welcome them, but I do not want to turn this into a mud slinging contest.
I appreciate the suggestions you have already made and will definitely talk them over with FreeinChrist.
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That was evidenced by the responses to the moratorium.
Exactly. I resigned over the moratorium, because I did not want to see debate stifled.
My contention has always been that debate here is not done with respect and/or honor for others, and that is the problem.
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I mean no offense whatsoever, but it seems like we have tried everything but enforcing policy.
Right. More rules don't help if they won't be enforced either.
The CF staff already has every tool at their disposal to stop this, and they are not using them. Debate forum or no is not really the problem. The problem is disrespect.
As has already been pointed out, the current rules ALREADY say;
You will not insult, belittle, mock, or personally attack other members or groups of members.
Use of derogatory nicknames in reference to other members is prohibited. Don't goad another member or start call-out threads.
So why take more suggestions when the current system is sufficient to deal with the problem. It's just a matter of CF enforcing the current rules.
It's frustrating. When I was on staff, I spent HOURS in "meetings" via messenger. I have a 75-page transcript from one of those meetings, of which NOTHING materialized. We talked and prayed and brainstormed until we were blue in the face, came up with a "plan", and NEVER implemented it.
So while I do appreciate your effort to try and do something, my confidence that anything will change is remarkably low.
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