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So you haven't bothered to see what it's about and you haven't read up on why it's an accepted scientific theory?
I値l probable read on it when it becomes a fact and not just a theory.
man from ape Men are apes in the same way that tigers are cats and whales are mammals. We are classified as an ape, and we know we share a common ancestor with apes in the same way we know pitbulls and foxes have a common ancestor. Do you accept the science that relates all cats together? Or the science that relates all dogs together? It's the same thing that relates all apes together, including humans.
So the scientists say I知 an ape and I知 just to accept it because they said so. Only God has that right. Modern science is filled with much folly, evolution is just one of them
elephants from whales. Whales evolved from ungulates, which is terrestrial hooved animals. We have several transitional fossils to support this, all of which were found in sequential order in the fossil record. We cannot test their DNA or the similarity of their organs, since those don't fossilize, but there are other things we can test. The inner ear of those fossils also gradually changes from intermediate to intermediate as it would need to in order to go from land to sea.
I find some old bones that resemble each other and I conclude they evolved from each other. I don稚 think so.
HERVs, human chromosome #2, the nested hierarchy found in morphology, paleantology, physiology, and genetics (at several levels), intermediate fossils, etc etc.
Can any of these show me a man actually evolving from an ape or some kind of animal, or do they just assume we did?
No evolution of diseases, please. That does not count.
Why ? It's evolution.
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Luke 10:27 (Love God Above All, And Your Neighbor as yourself) And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.
Matthew 7:12 (Do unto others)
Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.
Matthew 5:43-48 (Pray for those that persecute you)
Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same? And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so? Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
Luke 6:27-29 (Love your enemies.)
But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you, Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you. And unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek offer also the other; and him that taketh away thy cloak forbid not to take thy coat also.
Originally Posted by Saint Augustine
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Isaiah 8:12-13 (NIV) "Do not call conspiracy everything that these people call conspiracy; do not fear what they fear, and do not dread it. The Lord Almighty is the one you are to regard as holy, he is the one you are to fear, he is the one you are to dread."
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Again, there's no such thing as proof in science, Doveaman. Science is only capable of disproving hypotheses, and the ones left standing are declared the winners (for the time being).
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Again, there's no such thing as proof in science, Doveaman. Science is only capable of disproving hypotheses, and the ones left standing are declared the winners (for the time being).
If it's only for 'the time being' I guess it cannot be declared a fact, right?
Yeah, but it cannot prove man evolved from animals.
I need proof.
Umm Man is an Animal (Animalia) as we're part of the Animalia Kingdom a sub set of the Domain Eukaryota,
we are Eukaryota,Animalia,Eumetazoa,Chordata,Vertebrata,Mammalia,Theria,Primates,Hominoidea,Hominidae,Homininae,Hominini,Hominina,Homo,H. sapiens,H. s. sapiens
AKA Human.
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Spoiler for Some Good Rules for Christians:
Luke 10:27 (Love God Above All, And Your Neighbor as yourself) And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.
Matthew 7:12 (Do unto others)
Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.
Matthew 5:43-48 (Pray for those that persecute you)
Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same? And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so? Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
Luke 6:27-29 (Love your enemies.)
But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you, Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you. And unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek offer also the other; and him that taketh away thy cloak forbid not to take thy coat also.
Originally Posted by Saint Augustine
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If they find a Christian mistaken in a field which they themselves know well and hear him maintaining his foolish opinions about our books, how are they going to believe those books in matters concerning the resurrection of the dead, the hope of eternal life, and the kingdom of heaven, when they think their pages are full of falsehoods on facts which they themselves have learnt from experience and the light of reason? Reckless and incompetent expounders of holy Scripture bring untold trouble and sorrow on their wiser brethren when they are caught in one of their mischievous false opinions and are taken to task by those who are not bound by the authority of our sacred books.
Isaiah 8:12-13 (NIV) "Do not call conspiracy everything that these people call conspiracy; do not fear what they fear, and do not dread it. The Lord Almighty is the one you are to regard as holy, he is the one you are to fear, he is the one you are to dread."
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If it's only for 'the time being' I guess it cannot be declared a fact, right?
That's right. I already explained that to you several posts back. But if you're going to reject evolution for being "only a theory", then to be consistent, you must also reject all other scientific theories, including quantum theory, atomic theory, germ theory, relativity theory, etc. Facts are merely what we bring to science; theories are what we derive from it. It sounds to me that your problem is not only with evolution, but with science as a whole.
Having said that, it's a fact that populations change through time... and given that evolution is minimally defined this way, it can also be considered a fact. Evolution is both a fact AND a theory. Ditto gravity, as I pointed out to your earlier.
__________________ "There is evidence for evolution, gobs and gobs of it. It is not just speculation or a faith choice or an assumption or a religion. It is a productive framework for lots of biological research, and it has amazing explanatory power. There is no conspiracy to hide the truth about the failure of evolution. There has really been no failure of evolution as a scientific theory. It works, and it works well." -- creation scientist Dr. Todd Wood
So the scientists say I知 an ape and I知 just to accept it because they said so. Only God has that right. Modern science is filled with much folly, evolution is just one of them
Actually no. God gave the right to give names to all the animals to man. Gen 2:20 The man gave names to all cattle, and to the birds of the air, and to every beast of the field
I find some old bones that resemble each other and I conclude they evolved from each other. I don稚 think so.
You mean some old bones like these? Can you tell which ones are human and which are really just apes? Because every stage look so similar to the ones before and after that Creationists can't even agree which skulls are clearly human and which are just an ape.
Can any of these show me a man actually evolving from an ape or some kind of animal, or do they just assume we did?
That's right. I already explained that to you several posts back. But if you're going to reject evolution for being "only a theory", then to be consistent, you must also reject all other scientific theories, including quantum theory, atomic theory, germ theory, relativity theory, etc. Facts are merely what we bring to science; theories are what we derive from it. It sounds to me that your problem is not only with evolution, but with science as a whole.
Not with science. Just bad science.
No problem with theories either. Theories are developed then they are demonstrated to be true.
Evolution does not do this. All evolution has is what is considered to be 'evidence' and a speculative explanation of that 'evidence', but evolution is not observable in actual time.
We can only assume what we think happened based on the 'evidence', but can never know for sure if man did evolve from some ancient animal.
Biochemical similarity and bones does not prove this.
We cannot assume that because something resembles something that one evolved from the other, no matter how close the resemblance.
All we can do is speculate based on so called 'evidence'.
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