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Originally Posted by philadiddle View Post
So you haven't bothered to see what it's about and you haven't read up on why it's an accepted scientific theory?
I値l probable read on it when it becomes a fact and not just a theory.
man from ape
Men are apes in the same way that tigers are cats and whales are mammals. We are classified as an ape, and we know we share a common ancestor with apes in the same way we know pitbulls and foxes have a common ancestor. Do you accept the science that relates all cats together? Or the science that relates all dogs together? It's the same thing that relates all apes together, including humans.
So the scientists say I知 an ape and I知 just to accept it because they said so. Only God has that right. Modern science is filled with much folly, evolution is just one of them
elephants from whales.
Whales evolved from ungulates, which is terrestrial hooved animals. We have several transitional fossils to support this, all of which were found in sequential order in the fossil record. We cannot test their DNA or the similarity of their organs, since those don't fossilize, but there are other things we can test. The inner ear of those fossils also gradually changes from intermediate to intermediate as it would need to in order to go from land to sea.
I find some old bones that resemble each other and I conclude they evolved from each other. I don稚 think so.
HERVs, human chromosome #2, the nested hierarchy found in morphology, paleantology, physiology, and genetics (at several levels), intermediate fossils, etc etc.
Can any of these show me a man actually evolving from an ape or some kind of animal, or do they just assume we did?
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Originally Posted by Doveaman View Post
No evolution of diseases, please. That does not count.
Why ? It's evolution.
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Lots of people have bled have bled to death in lots of places. How did Jesus bleeding to death prove that Christianity was true, beyond all doubt?
Jesus told us personally it did without a doubt. We could not help but to believe Him.
You seem awfully certain about other people's thought processes. What is the basis for your knowledge here?
Their doubt.

That fact that they doubt means they are distracted by something that is causing the doubt.

It happens to me sometimes, but then I have to put away what is causing the distraction so as to get back my focus and remove the doubt.

It can happen very easily without us even being aware of it sometimes, so we have to be very careful.

It's probably happening to you now.
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Why ? It's evolution.
Yeah, but it cannot prove man evolved from animals.

I need proof.
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Again, there's no such thing as proof in science, Doveaman. Science is only capable of disproving hypotheses, and the ones left standing are declared the winners (for the time being).
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Again, there's no such thing as proof in science, Doveaman. Science is only capable of disproving hypotheses, and the ones left standing are declared the winners (for the time being).
If it's only for 'the time being' I guess it cannot be declared a fact, right?
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Originally Posted by Doveaman View Post
Yeah, but it cannot prove man evolved from animals.

I need proof.
Umm Man is an Animal (Animalia) as we're part of the Animalia Kingdom a sub set of the Domain Eukaryota,

we are Eukaryota,Animalia,Eumetazoa,Chordata,Vertebrata,Mammalia,Theria,Primates,Hominoidea,Hominidae,Homininae,Hominini,Hominina,Homo,H. sapiens,H. s. sapiens

AKA Human.
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Originally Posted by Doveaman View Post
If it's only for 'the time being' I guess it cannot be declared a fact, right?
That's right. I already explained that to you several posts back. But if you're going to reject evolution for being "only a theory", then to be consistent, you must also reject all other scientific theories, including quantum theory, atomic theory, germ theory, relativity theory, etc. Facts are merely what we bring to science; theories are what we derive from it. It sounds to me that your problem is not only with evolution, but with science as a whole.

Having said that, it's a fact that populations change through time... and given that evolution is minimally defined this way, it can also be considered a fact. Evolution is both a fact AND a theory. Ditto gravity, as I pointed out to your earlier.
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Originally Posted by Doveaman View Post
So the scientists say I知 an ape and I知 just to accept it because they said so. Only God has that right. Modern science is filled with much folly, evolution is just one of them
Actually no. God gave the right to give names to all the animals to man. Gen 2:20 The man gave names to all cattle, and to the birds of the air, and to every beast of the field

I find some old bones that resemble each other and I conclude they evolved from each other. I don稚 think so.
You mean some old bones like these?
Can you tell which ones are human and which are really just apes? Because every stage look so similar to the ones before and after that Creationists can't even agree which skulls are clearly human and which are just an ape.

Can any of these show me a man actually evolving from an ape or some kind of animal, or do they just assume we did?
You never did reply to post 9.
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Originally Posted by Mallon View Post
That's right. I already explained that to you several posts back. But if you're going to reject evolution for being "only a theory", then to be consistent, you must also reject all other scientific theories, including quantum theory, atomic theory, germ theory, relativity theory, etc. Facts are merely what we bring to science; theories are what we derive from it. It sounds to me that your problem is not only with evolution, but with science as a whole.
Not with science. Just bad science.

No problem with theories either. Theories are developed then they are demonstrated to be true.

Evolution does not do this. All evolution has is what is considered to be 'evidence' and a speculative explanation of that 'evidence', but evolution is not observable in actual time.

We can only assume what we think happened based on the 'evidence', but can never know for sure if man did evolve from some ancient animal.

Biochemical similarity and bones does not prove this.

We cannot assume that because something resembles something that one evolved from the other, no matter how close the resemblance.

All we can do is speculate based on so called 'evidence'.
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