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Old 1st September 2009, 12:51 PM
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Just came across this post and thought I would give my two cents. This is a hypothetical situation but could easily be true.
I have been born again, born of the Spirit of God. Seeked Him, walked with Him, and lived my life the best I could according to His word. Then situations and circumstances came into my life and I became bitter towards God, rebelled and slid away form Him. During this bitterness I decided I was going to lead everyone I could far from the truth. Including my own kids who were too young to know any better and I had there full trust. So I decieved them as they were young into believeng "there is no God". I did not shine the light and was in no way the salt of the earth. Anyone who came in contact with me would have no inclination that God exists. For I purposely steered those I could away from the truth. But I am eternally secure so I had no worries in that area. Once saved always saved.
Now here are a few question to consider. Was Lucifer eternally secure? Were Adam and Eve eternally secure after eating the forbidden fruit? I dont think so. So what makes us think we are? God's Word? Here are just a few verses I found

James 5:19-20
19 Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him; 20 Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.

Galatians 6:8
8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

Romans 8:13
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

Galatians 5:19-21
19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

John 15:6
6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

2 Peter 2:20-21
20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. 21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.

Those are just a few, here are more to check out. Ezek 18:24-26, Luke 9:62, Heb 10: 26-32, Heb 12:14, Matt 7:21, 1 Cor. 10:21, James 4:4, Isa. 7:9, 1 John 14:21, Titus 1:16, 2 Tim 2:19, 1 John 5:4, Heb 10:39, Matt 7:13-14, Luke 6:46, Matt 5:48, John 14:15
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Old 1st September 2009, 05:16 PM
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Found this verse to add to the ones in previous post.


Hebrews 6:4-6
4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, 5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, 6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

"Imposssible", pretty strong word
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Originally Posted by Meshach View Post
Found this verse to add to the ones in previous post.


Hebrews 6:4-6
4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, 5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, 6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

"Imposssible", pretty strong word


The scripture you quoted is in reference to born again Christians returning to the Temple (and the Law) in an attempt to avoid persecution for their faith in Christ.

Here's one that speaks of our security in Christ.


John 10:28-29 (Amplified Bible)

28) And I give them eternal life, and they shall never lose it or perish throughout the ages. [To all eternity they shall never by any means be destroyed.] And no one is able to snatch them out of My hand.

29) My Father, Who has given them to Me, is greater and mightier than all [else]; and no one is able to snatch [them] out of the Father's hand.
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Originally Posted by Mister_Al View Post
The scripture you quoted is in reference to born again Christians returning to the Temple (and the Law) in an attempt to avoid persecution for their faith in Christ.

Here's one that speaks of our security in Christ.


John 10:28-29 (Amplified Bible)

28) And I give them eternal life, and they shall never lose it or perish throughout the ages. [To all eternity they shall never by any means be destroyed.] And no one is able to snatch them out of My hand.

29) My Father, Who has given them to Me, is greater and mightier than all [else]; and no one is able to snatch [them] out of the Father's hand.
wrong... it was far worse during that time period to be any where near the temple.
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During that period of time Christians were being killed for their faith. So, some were tempted to quit meeting with the Church and to return to the Temple (and the Law) to save their lives, as well as the lives of their families. The writer of the book of Hebrews not only warned them against departing from their faith (Hebrews Chapter 6), but also encouraged the Church to continue meeting together and helping each other to be strong in their faith in Jesus.


Hebrews 10:23-25 (Amplified Bible)

23) So let us seize and hold fast and retain without wavering the hope we cherish and confess and our acknowledgement of it, for He Who promised is reliable (sure) and faithful to His word.

24) And let us consider and give attentive, continuous care to watching over one another, studying how we may stir up (stimulate and incite) to love and helpful deeds and noble activities,

25) Not forsaking or neglecting to assemble together [as believers], as is the habit of some people, but admonishing (warning, urging, and encouraging) one another, and all the more faithfully as you see the day approaching.

Blessings,

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