When do you think this reccesion will end?

Originally Posted by CreedIsChrist

What are your opinions on when this reccesion will end? It seems some investors say it will end around the end of this year..Stocks are cheap now, do you think taking advantage of these low prices is good idea? Or have you not hit the bottom yet?

When Bernanke stops spamming us with hyper-inflation, when the government stops nationalizing industries and when the regulatory agencies stop turning markets into cartels.

Allowing malinvestment to liquidate itself and restoring some semblence of economic freedom is the only way the economy is going to get better. As it stands all their 'solutions' are like shooting the patient because he's sick.

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Amen to that! What will emerge from this crisis is that the lies the people of America and the whole world have been told amount to nothing less than a declaration of total financial war against the middle class by the gloabalist elite cartels. In war one uses misinformation to lead the enemy in totally the wrong direction in order to set a trap for him. That is what has happened with the housing and stock bubbles over the last 15 years.

This process isn't over yet either! Millions are currently being sucked into sqandering their last few dollars of capital in this latest stock market 'rally' in a vain attempt to recoup massive losses, while the 'insiders' plan to short them to zero and take them all when the next major correction DOWN occurs later this year (Sept-Oct). By the end of 2010 it will be too late for anyone to fight back, we will all be so totally dependent on these crooks and their executive arm (the government) for survival that the will and opportunity to rise up will be gone.

I condend that any objective assessment of the behavior of the federal government and it's agencies who were supposed to provide protection for the people amount to deliberate and willful dis-information designed to do one thing, and one thing only - protect the elite oligarchs in the banking and global industrial sector at the expense of the people.

Americans have been brainwashed for so long that their system is one that promotes freedom and free-enterprise that they can not recognise the reality of it being essentially an organized crime syndicate. The approach of the 'elites' has been 'let a few crumbs fall off the table for the masses while we put a barbed wire fence around the table'. And once that fence is built (like right now) the crumbs will stop falling!

What this amounts to is a delcaration of war, and by and large the population has laid down and taken it!

America, (with a very few notable exceptions) you have become nation of fat, lazy gutless wonders! Give you an Ipod in one hand and a Starbucks in the other, and you will take anything from anyone! Is this the America of 1776, or 1941? You have let yourselves and the free world down! Grow a couple and take it up to your (so called) government before it is too late! (Although I totally doubt that you will.)

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I condend that any objective assessment of the behavior of the federal government and it's agencies who were supposed to provide protection for the people amount to deliberate and willful dis-information designed to do one thing, and one thing only - protect the elite oligarchs in the banking and global industrial sector at the expense of the people.

That's what all governments in history do, basically.

Americans have been brainwashed for so long that their system is one that promotes freedom and free-enterprise that they can not recognise the reality of it being essentially an organized crime syndicate.

This is because the essential economic tenants of the Progressives are identical to those of the so-called fascist movements, and were in fact the inspiration for them. Once an industry is regulated, taxed and subsidized according to the whim of the Federal Government the idea that it is 'private property' is pure bunk, interventionism is socialism.

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I think it is almost useless telling anyone in the modern western world the truth about what the state of the economy is. Just as Jesus was ignored or laughed at when he gave bad news straight and plain, the same applies now with anything that upsets people.
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Your statement above makes me think that you are either a special enlightened prophet or you are a self appointed leader of a doomsday cult. As with other cult leaders, you stated that everyone in the western modern world does not know the truth as you do about something; in your case it is the state of the economy.
Are you are more enlightened on the truth than anyone in the MODERN WESTERN WORLD?

Secondly you equate yourself with Jesus because He was ignored or laughed at when He gave news straight and plain.
Don’t you think that you equating yourself with Jesus is a bit of a stretch?

For some reason the ACLU and all those other progressives out there who keep trying to insure people have more rights and that those rights are protected don't seem to understand that their really fascists.

Then again I tend to agree with Robert Paxtons definition of Fascism as:

a form of political behavior marked by obsessive preoccupation with community decline, humiliation or victimhood and by compensatory cults of unity, energy, and purity, in which a mass-based party of committed nationalist militants, working in uneasy but effective collaboration with traditional elites, abandon democratic liberties and pursues with redemptive violence and without ethical or legal restraints goals of internal cleansing and external expansion.

He wrote an interesting book called the Anatomy of Fascism.
Amazon.com: The Anatomy of Fascism (9781400040940): Robert O. Paxton: Books

The people in charge of the Federal government are still elected by the people of the United States of America. Government has always taxed business, government has always regulated business, and government has been subsidizing everyone from Farmers to Auto manufacturers for decades.

Unfortunately we (I say we because we the people are the government) did a very poor job regulating industry, especially the financial industry. We focused of short term wealth instead of long term health. Then when the system seized up and threatened to die, we did what we could to get it back on it's feet. It does seem to be getting back on it's feet, however it would appear that it is also crippled by debt and that it's long term prognosis still isn't good.

If there is any threat of fascism today I don't think it's coming from the left. Instead I look to the right and I see a segment of society being demonized, armed militias being formed along the border, town hall meetings being disrupted not just with shouting and yelling but also with implicit threats of violence.

It's Just A Matter Of Time - Gun Found After Democratic Rep's Town Hall Meeting | Crooks and Liars

Originally Posted by neutronium_alice

That's what all governments in history do, basically.

This is because the essential economic tenants of the Progressives are identical to those of the so-called fascist movements, and were in fact the inspiration for them. Once an industry is regulated, taxed and subsidized according to the whim of the Federal Government the idea that it is 'private property' is pure bunk, interventionism is socialism.

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Pray for Peace in the Middle-East.

John T. Flynn's As We Go Marching and The Roosevelt Myth expose similar features, as does Gabriel Kolko's (a Marxist, actually) The Triumph of Conservatism: A Reinterpretation of American History, 1900-1916.

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The ACLU is actually a fascist organization? Go on - I await your rationale.

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I understand why some people were concerned, and I can understand why people are concered today... the (even temporary) merger of government and corperate power is dangerous and can lead to conditions where fascism takes root. Still, I don't believe that's how one actually measures the degree of fascism in a society... Many countries around the world excercise a much closer relationaship between government and corperate power than we have in the US, Germany springs quickly to mind... it's still quite easy to contrast Germany today with Germany the Fascist power.

Originally Posted by neutronium_alice

John T. Flynn's As We Go Marching and The Roosevelt Myth expose similar features, as does Gabriel Kolko's (a Marxist, actually) The Triumph of Conservatism: A Reinterpretation of American History, 1900-1916.

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Pray for Peace in the Middle-East.

My statement was tounge in cheek, I was poking fun at the idea that progressives are fascists.

Originally Posted by DeathMagus

The ACLU is actually a fascist organization? Go on - I await your rationale.

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The problem isn't a relationship between government and corporations, though that's part and parcel of the Progressive state, the problem is government intervention in the market, whatever the peculiarities of it may be.

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