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Originally Posted by Skaloop View Post
Yes, we do appear to be getting somewhere. So you are saying that God himself is controlling how the Sin nature is passed on genetically, and restricting it to the father's "house"? That He prevents the Sin nature of the mother from being present in the DNA houses of the ovum?

That, I must admit, would at least make some sense in a "God can do anything" sort of way.
But it also raises the question of why the heck bring DNA into it.
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Originally Posted by Naraoia View Post
But it also raises the question of why the heck bring DNA into it.
DNA is only the carrier --- it houses the Sin Nature until it gets to its destination.
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Originally Posted by Naraoia View Post
But it also raises the question of why the heck bring DNA into it.
I'm taking baby steps on this one.
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Originally Posted by AV1611VET View Post
DNA is only the carrier --- it houses the Sin Nature until it gets to its destination.
Ah, OK. I just don't get why the omnipotent God needs a carrier at all.

I have the wrong mindset, I know.
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Originally Posted by Naraoia View Post
Ah, OK. I just don't get why the omnipotent God needs a carrier at all.

I have the wrong mindset, I know.
Is this because you think God should just sit on His throne and dole out the Sin Nature to everyone at the moment of conception?

No, He certainly doesn't need a carrier, but by making Adam the federal head of the human race, all Jesus had to do is die once for all.

Otherwise, Jesus would have to come back and die for each and every person ever born.

That's why Jesus is referred to as the "Second Adam" in that Christmas carol - (God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen - I think it is).
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Originally Posted by Naraoia View Post
Ah, OK. I just don't get why the omnipotent God needs a carrier at all.

I have the wrong mindset, I know.
Well how else will he make sure every one has a sin nature unless he personally passes the sin nature on to each one of us.

wait. why would God act like that
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Originally Posted by AV1611VET View Post
Is this because you think God should just sit on His throne and dole out the Sin Nature to everyone at the moment of conception?
Yeah, funny that, maybe it's because you posited a Sin nature as being genetic, perhaps?

No, He certainly doesn't need a carrier, but by making Adam the federal head of the human race, all Jesus had to do is die once for all.

Otherwise, Jesus would have to come back and die for each and every person ever born.
The way you describe Him, you'd think He wasn't omnipotent
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Well how else will he make sure every one has a sin nature unless he personally passes the sin nature on to each one of us.

wait. why would God act like that
Originally Posted by Cabal View Post
Yeah, funny that, maybe it's because you posited a Sin nature as being genetic, perhaps?



The way you describe Him, you'd think He wasn't omnipotent
Ya --- make your jokes and accusations.

They you'll wonder why you don't understand anything.

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Well how else will he make sure every one has a sin nature unless he personally passes the sin nature on to each one of us.

wait. why would God act like that
Wait a minute... Was Adam created without DNA and recieved it as some sort of punishment after eating the fruit, or was his DNA contaminated with sin-DNA after The Munching? Also, why wasn't Eve's DNA contaminated?

Also, is this sin-DNA contagious?
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Originally Posted by AV1611VET View Post
Okay --- now we're getting somewhere.

As Mark said, and I agree, sin is spiritual --- so is the Sin Nature.

So when the father gives the DNA house to either his son or his daughter, the Sin Nature exits that house and becomes part of the flesh.

Then, when the daughter marries and has children of her own, the Sin Nature of her children will be transmitted to them via their father's house.

Her houses won't have the Sin Nature residing in any of them --- his will.
Problem.
Your "houses" (representing DNA) are just Atoms, chemical, are you saying Sin hides in the chemical arrangement, but it's not the chemical arrangement isself ?
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Matthew 5:43-48 (Pray for those that persecute you)
Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
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