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MK sez....
......... To agree with such a blatant error is to abandon all intellectual integrity. Now you can either correct the error in the statement in the OP and the one in Scientific American or you can stop with the pretense of my errors conflating the actual evidence. My experience with evolutionists has been that you will do neither.QVOTE///////////////////////////////////////////////
Hespera sez.....
So often we we see people projecting their own errors onto others!
We have MK here making (up) his statement that "Everytime and (sic) ape skull is dug up it is immediately celebrated as a human ancestor"
The fact that this is readily demonstrated to be false, on several levels, doesnt make a bit of difference. He didnt change it, wont change it, and wont admit that it is false.
He said the transcript errors are not mutations, if they are uncorrected then they are.
What do transcription errors have to do with mutations? I think I might have missed something??
Originally Posted by mark kennedy
Not exactly but you are close, my issue is how they occurred 2 million years ago, not over 2 million years. The thing is that the HAR1 gene did not change in 300 million years except for two substitutions, then suddenly there were 18.
Yes, and a very similar thing happened to OdsH in Drosophila. You could at least add it to your inventory now that it's been mentioned to you about a million times. Don't you see how it strengthens your argument?
(Or is accelerated evolution in conserved sequences only interesting when it happens in humans? )
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He said the transcript errors are not mutations, if they are uncorrected then they are. In fact they are called transcript mutations sometimes and that was the point he could not refute or concede.
I missed this before.
Transcription errors are never corrected. Some people have called errors in transcripts (caused either by misreading during transcription or by later aberrant transcript editing) "transcript mutations", but they have nothing to do with the kind of mutations you talking about, which are heritable changes to DNA. Transcript errors (whether you call them mutations or not) do not affect the DNA, and are not inherited.
Transcription errors are never corrected. Some people have called errors in transcripts (caused either by misreading during transcription or by later aberrant transcript editing) "transcript mutations", but they have nothing to do with the kind of mutations you talking about, which are heritable changes to DNA. Transcript errors (whether you call them mutations or not) do not affect the DNA, and are not inherited.
The first thing a cell does before it starts to divide is it makes a copy of it's DNA. When this 'transcription' has errors it is weeded out in the cell cycle check points, and this is pretty basic stuff. Transcript errors have to be corrected or it's a mutation.
I never brought up inherited mutations and I don't really know why you did. An uncorrected transcript error is a mutation, plain and simple. You and your cohorts argued venomously to the contrary for no real reason only to be proven wrong. Now you are....I don't know....continuing this bizarre tangent but it's ok with me. I know why you do it.
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The first thing a cell does before it starts to divide is it makes a copy of it's DNA. When this 'transcription' has errors it is weeded out in the cell cycle check points, and this is pretty basic stuff. Transcript errors have to be corrected or it's a mutation.
I never brought up inherited mutations and I don't really know why you did. An uncorrected transcript error is a mutation, plain and simple. You and your cohorts argued venomously to the contrary for no real reason only to be proven wrong. Now you are....I don't know....continuing this bizarre tangent but it's ok with me. I know why you do it.
Transcription uses a DNA template to produce mRNA. You are now refering to DNA Replication, not Transcription. Look it up, if you do not beleive us.
So you know why we corrrect your many mistakes, do you? Is it because correcting your mistakes constitutes yet another form of "ad hominen" attack?
Maybe you can explain one more time, why it is that human and chimp genomes are so similar rather than harp about 2% differences vs. 3 or 4% differences.
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split... so why do you bother to correct his mistakes? He already demonstrated that he cant / wont admit any error on his part, with that simple bit about the ape skulls.
It is as obvious as if he said 2 plus 2 is 5; it is wrong, but he will never admit it.
Why bother to go on to something complex like transcription when he has shown he will never concede on the simple obvious things?
split... so why do you bother to correct his mistakes? He already demonstrated that he cant / wont admit any error on his part, with that simple bit about the ape skulls.
It is as obvious as if he said 2 plus 2 is 5; it is wrong, but he will never admit it.
Why bother to go on to something complex like transcription when he has shown he will never concede on the simple obvious things?
I don't respond as often as I used to... but this is such a huge mistake, it requires correction. Let's see if MK will conceed a mistake this one time.
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What do transcription errors have to do with mutations? I think I might have missed something??
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