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Originally Posted by chaz345 View Post
Doe sit really matter when it was, the fact remains that there have been time periods during which the Earth was MUCH warmer than it is now and said warming periods were most definitely not man caused.
So what?
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Originally Posted by kermit View Post
Greenland was never green. At least not in human history.

Green Myth-Busting: Greenland was Once Green : jeffmcintirestrasburg - Green Options

To get a green Greenland you have to go back well before the dawn of Man, about a half a million years.

Data from ice cores indicate that between AD 800 and 1300 the regions around the fjords of southern Greenland experienced a mild climate, with trees and herbaceous plants growing and livestock being farmed.[citation needed]
These Icelandic settlements vanished during the 14th and 15th centuries, likely due to famine and increasing conflicts with the Inuit.[8] The condition of human bones from this period indicates that the Norse population was malnourished, probably because of soil erosion resulting from the Norsemen's destruction of natural ve
Data from ice cores indicate that between AD 800 and 1300 the regions around the fjords of southern Greenland experienced a mild climate, with trees and herbaceous plants growing and livestock being farmed.[citation needed]
These Icelandic settlements vanished during the 14th and 15th centuries, likely due to famine and increasing conflicts with the Inuit.[8] The condition of human bones from this period indicates that the Norse population was malnourished, probably because of soil erosion resulting from the Norsemen's destruction of natural vegetation to allow for farming, turf-cutting, and wood-cutting, because of a decline in temperatures during the Little Ice Age, and because of armed conflicts with the Inuit.[7] getation to allow for farming, turf-cutting, and wood-cutting, because of a decline in temperatures during the Little Ice Age, and because of armed conflicts with the Inuit.[7]

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[quote=Steve Petersen;51312053]

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A thousand years ago, Greenland was, well...green.
It was never particularly Green. But it has always supported herbaceous plants.

It seems likely that it was given that name to encourage settlement.



Ice ages are probably the predominant force in geologic history.
Completely and utterly wrong. the dominant force in geologic history is plate tectonics, the Earth's orbit is a distant second .

Fancy talking about other things you know nothing about?

Fifteen thousand years ago, my back yard was covered by a mile thick sheet of ice.
What has any of this got to do with the dramatic increase in global temperatures over the last few decades?
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It was never particularly Green. But it has always supported herbaceous plants.

It seems likely that it was given that name to encourage settlement.





Completely and utterly wrong. the dominant force in geologic history is plate tectonics, the Earth's orbit is a distant second .

Fancy talking about other things you know nothing about?



What has any of this got to do with the dramatic increase in global temperatures over the last few decades?

Ok, second greatest.

Only that geological and climatological events on this scale dwarf anything humans can do.
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Originally Posted by Steve Petersen View Post
Only that geological and climatological events on this scale dwarf anything humans can do.
So what?
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Originally Posted by Steve Petersen View Post
Only that geological and climatological events on this scale dwarf anything humans can do.

The problem with this statement is that the Earth tends to find natural equilibria for vast ages of time, and we appear to be knocking it out of one without any idea what the affects are going to be.

I know we are not the smartest sometimes but conducting an experiment when you live inside the test tube seems remarkably dumb.

Rejecting the science because your politics are so moribund that you can't think of a solution to the problem is about the only thing that strikes me as dumber.
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The Earth is Cooling. Why does this annoy Liberals?


In some cases, not all of course, it might be a lack of education. Detroit is the most liberal city in the country. Only one in four students in the Detroit system graduate from High School. Gary, Indiana and Newark, New Jersey are among the top five liberal cities and their drop out rates are also abysmal. From Grand Rapids Pundit:


The Detroit News has a short article today on the dropout rate of Detroit Public Schools students. The article states that a report from Education Week, a weekly education newspaper, has done a study showing that Detroit’s dropout rate is 75%. You can view the report’s web page by clicking here.
How can citizens who don't graduate from HS understand the nuances of climate science? They hear someone in their community, some organizer maybe, tell them the earth is heating up, man is responsible and we have to do this or that to stop it. Not being able to evaluate the claims, they believe them. And then, when exposed to facts which contradict what they have been told, they become annoyed.
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The Earth is Cooling. Why does this annoy Liberals?


In some cases, not all of course, it might be a lack of education. Detroit is the most liberal city in the country. Gary, Indiana and Newark, New Jersey are among the top five liberal cities and their drop out rates are also abysmal. Only one in four students graduate from High School in Detroit. From Grand Rapids Pundit:




How can citizens who don't graduate from HS understand the nuances of climate science?

They can't.

Unfortunately, they can vote!
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They can't.

Unfortunately, they can vote!
I have a BS in Evolutionary Psychology from University of Arizona and I am currently pursuing a Masters Degree from UT of Austin.

What are you qualifications the both of you?

I am decidedly liberal at this point and extremely proud of my peers.

Seriously, what are "you twos" qualifications to even have a discussion, much less vote?
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I have a BS in Evolutionary Psychology from University of Arizona and I am currently pursuing a Masters Degree from UT of Austin.

What are you qualifications the both of you?

I am decidedly liberal at this point and extremely proud of my peers.

Seriously, what are "you twos" qualifications to even have a discussion, much less vote?

Not that it matters, but I have a BS in Chemistry and and an MBA.

Even a high school grad should be able to read a graph, however.

You are so indoctrinated that you can't accept facts that expose your opinions as flawed.
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