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14th April 2009, 11:27 AM
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Reps: 205,146,621,849,477,600 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by chestertonrules  Since you are a secular leftist, you clearly are biased and not likely to be a credible source of information.
*irony meter explodes* |
14th April 2009, 11:30 AM
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In some cases, not all of course, it might be a lack of education. Detroit is the most liberal city in the country. Only one in four students in the Detroit system graduate from High School. Gary, Indiana and Newark, New Jersey are among the top five liberal cities and their drop out rates are also abysmal. From Grand Rapids Pundit: The Detroit News has a short article today on the dropout rate of Detroit Public Schools students. The article states that a report from Education Week, a weekly education newspaper, has done a study showing that Detroit’s dropout rate is 75%. You can view the report’s web page by clicking here.
How can citizens who don't graduate from HS understand the nuances of climate science? They hear someone in their community, some organizer maybe, tell them the earth is heating up, man is responsible and we have to do this or that to stop it. Not being able to evaluate the claims, they believe them. And then, when exposed to facts which contradict what they have been told, they become annoyed.  |
14th April 2009, 11:33 AM
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Reps: 147,148,974,700,433,440 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by Voegelin The Earth is Cooling. Why does this annoy Liberals?
In some cases, not all of course, it might be a lack of education. Detroit is the most liberal city in the country. Gary, Indiana and Newark, New Jersey are among the top five liberal cities and their drop out rates are also abysmal. Only one in four students graduate from High School in Detroit. From Grand Rapids Pundit:
How can citizens who don't graduate from HS understand the nuances of climate science?
They can't.
Unfortunately, they can vote! |
14th April 2009, 12:01 PM
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Reps: 5,472,665,518,922,035 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by chestertonrules They can't.
Unfortunately, they can vote!
I have a BS in Evolutionary Psychology from University of Arizona and I am currently pursuing a Masters Degree from UT of Austin.
What are you qualifications the both of you?
I am decidedly liberal at this point and extremely proud of my peers.
Seriously, what are "you twos" qualifications to even have a discussion, much less vote? |
14th April 2009, 12:04 PM
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Reps: 147,148,974,700,433,440 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by XTE I have a BS in Evolutionary Psychology from University of Arizona and I am currently pursuing a Masters Degree from UT of Austin.
What are you qualifications the both of you?
I am decidedly liberal at this point and extremely proud of my peers.
Seriously, what are "you twos" qualifications to even have a discussion, much less vote?
Not that it matters, but I have a BS in Chemistry and and an MBA.
Even a high school grad should be able to read a graph, however.
You are so indoctrinated that you can't accept facts that expose your opinions as flawed. |
14th April 2009, 12:07 PM
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It is all a matter of the window of time you are looking at.
A thousand years ago, Greenland was, well...green.
Ice ages are probably the predominant force in geologic history. Fifteen thousand years ago, my back yard was covered by a mile thick sheet of ice.
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14th April 2009, 12:24 PM
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Reps: 120,072,775,928,871,440 (power: 120,072,775,928,891) | | Originally Posted by chestertonrules Not that it matters, but I have a BS in Chemistry and and an MBA.
Even a high school grad should be able to read a graph, however.
You are so indoctrinated that you can't accept facts that expose your opinions as flawed.
Have you looked at this link? RealClimate
It's an excellent discussion of the signal-to-noise problem and the problems with looking at short-range data. The arguments are directed at global temps, but they actually apply to a broader class of problems that have multiple causes.
One of the main difficulties in studying climate change is that it does not lend itself to direct experimentation. Another difficulty is that there are multiple causes for why the temperature can vary (even on a yearly scale). So, for example, if another force is driving global temps down, it may be stronger than the forces that are driving it up. Now, if whatever is currently driving it down is a periodic fluctuation, then once it is finished, we will go back to even higher temps than we had before (because the greenhouse gases are still increasing).
I guess what I am trying to argue is that those who believe in man-made climate change should not cling to short term increases in temps, and those who do not believe the evidence should also not cling to short term decreases in temps.
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14th April 2009, 12:28 PM
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What are you qualifications the both of you?
Ad verecundiam fallacy is effective at times if people respect the authority or credentials. I don't.Mildy interesting yes. But nothing that requires much thought or effort. Which is why I believe such fields have exploded in popularity. |
14th April 2009, 12:28 PM
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Reps: 147,148,974,700,433,440 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by Grizzly Have you looked at this link?
I guess what I am trying to argue is that those who believe in man-made climate change should not cling to short term increases in temps, and those who do not believe the evidence should also not cling to short term decreases in temps.
I agree completely.
However, I think it is important to note the recent cooling because it dampens the hysteria. |
14th April 2009, 12:31 PM
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Reps: 147,148,974,700,433,440 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by chestertonrules
Still no answer to the question in the OP?
Do liberals want the global warming to be true, or do they just want to fool gullible voters?
What is their goal? | | |
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