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It would seem that you are more than happy with the indoctrination you received,
With the truth of God I received, you mean...
I have little doubt the Muslims or any of the others feel exactly the same way about their gods,
False gods and idols don't make one happy.They are deceived people.
I was not indoctrinated so I guess I will just have to suffer in my ignorance,
although they do say that ignorance is bliss, and I'm blissfully ignorant about any of the gods.
Ignorance won't be your excuse if you've been told the truth about Jesus Christ, who came to die in your place for your sin and now lives so that you also may live, and you've consciously rejected that good news.
Is this just another way of saying:
I had no hand in choosing my religion but now that I have been fully indoctrinated
I have decided that the religion I have been given is the one I would have chosen
had I been given the opportunity.
The come back on that is: That's what they all say...............
I had a hand in my salvation in that I had to reach out and accept it.
Both appearances are equally ridiculous and unbelievable,
and I take it you are joking, at least I hope you are. after all, all you did was read words in a book,
what did you get from reading Superman comics, the ability to fly?
Mocker, the bible is a supernatural book. There is power in it.
The following question is very important. How does he treat those who are unwilling?
I have, for sake of argument, a pet rabit. That rabit is female. Next suppose that I am unwilling to believe that rabit is female. Does that make it male or female?
Truth is not democratic. Whether we agree or disagree with something has no effect on whether it is true or not. If god is true, then everyone should be able to see him equally at all times, whether they want to believe or not. The fact that he doesn't behave this way is very strong evidence that he doesn't exist. When something requires bias before it can be experienced, how are we supposed to know the truth? How do you know if it is a real thing, or your bias itself that you are experiencing?
God reveals Himself to people individually. We are called individually. He knows each of us by name and meets us that way.
Why? Because He desires intimacy with us, one-on-one.
Jeremiah 29:11
"For I know the plans I have for you," declares the LORD, "plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future."
Actually Rev 3:20 doesn't say anything about talking.
Rev 3:20Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with him, and he with me.
Rev 3:20Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.
Rev 3:20Behold, I stand at the door and knock; if anyone hears and listens to and heeds My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and will eat with him, and he [will eat] with Me.
and Rev3:20 IN context
“Write this letter to the angel of the church in Laodicea. This is the message from the one who is the Amen—the faithful and true witness, the beginning[e] of God’s new creation:
“I know all the things you do, that you are neither hot nor cold. I wish that you were one or the other! But since you are like lukewarm water, neither hot nor cold, I will spit you out of my mouth! You say, ‘I am rich. I have everything I want. I don’t need a thing!’ And you don’t realize that you are wretched and miserable and poor and blind and naked. So I advise you to buy gold from me—gold that has been purified by fire. Then you will be rich. Also buy white garments from me so you will not be shamed by your nakedness, and ointment for your eyes so you will be able to see. I correct and discipline everyone I love. So be diligent and turn from your indifference. “Look! I stand at the door and knock. If you hear my voice and open the door, I will come in, and we will share a meal together as friends. Those who are victorious will sit with me on my throne, just as I was victorious and sat with my Father on his throne.
“Anyone with ears to hear must listen to the Spirit and understand what he is saying to the churches.”
What silliness. We don't have a meal with a friend and not talk.
God reveals Himself to people individually. We are called individually. He knows each of us by name and meets us that way.
Why? Because He desires intimacy with us, one-on-one.
That doesn't answer the question. How does god reveal himself to those that are unwilling to believe? Does he even do so?
Jeremiah 29:11
"For I know the plans I have for you," declares the LORD, "plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future."
What does god's prophecy for the people of Isreal exiled into Babylon have to do with intimacy? Just because he promises to reuinite his people after 70 years doesn't seem to have anything to do with how god relates to individual people.
Seriously, you can't take random verses out of the bible out of context and expect anyone to take it seriously. Quoting things so far of the context they were written in, and giving them an entirely new meaning is basically lying. The sentence you quoted comes from a letter from god, through his prophet Jeremiah, to the Israeli exiles. It tells them about the wonderful things god will bring to them if only they endure their foreign exile a while longer. If you doubt my interpretation of the passage feel free to look at the complete passage here and respond.
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Originally Posted by Floatingaxe
With the truth of God I received, you mean...
Yes, but it only became the truth after you had been indoctrinated..
Originally Posted by Floatingaxe
False gods and idols don't make one happy.They are deceived people.
I expect they say the same things about creationists and Christians.
Originally Posted by Floatingaxe
Ignorance won't be your excuse if you've been told the truth about Jesus Christ, who came to die in your place for your sin and now lives so that you also may live, and you've consciously rejected that good news.
I won't need any excuses because religion is nothing but a con.
Originally Posted by Floatingaxe
I had a hand in my salvation in that I had to reach out and accept it.
You only reached out after you had been indoctrinated.
Originally Posted by Floatingaxe
Mocker, the bible is a supernatural book. There is power in it.
I am not mocking, I am only saying it like it is,
you only think like that about the bible because you have been indoctrinated to think like that about the bible.
The bottom line is indoctrination, and they obviously did a good job on you,
you know it, I know it we all know it, why is it so hard to admit,
they got to you, you now know the truth, they did you a big favour.
(If you like that kind of thing)
Indoctrination really does make people believe the weirdest things, and none of them think they were indoctrinated. I had relatives in the Cultural Revolution..... true believers, too.
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