| Creation & Evolution Forum for the discussion of this important topic. This forum is open to non-believers. There is a Christians-only forum in the Christians-only section too. |
 | | 
10th April 2009, 11:27 PM
|  | Veteran Saint
62      
 | | Join Date: 22nd July 2007 Location: East of the Mississippi
Posts: 3,019
Blessings: 141,730 My Mood 
Reps: 25,191,069,940,057,672 (power: 25,191,069,940,065) | | Originally Posted by pgp_protector  Jesus was Jewish are you Jewish ? Yes!
Rom 2:28 After all, who is a real Jew, truly circumcised? It is not the man who is a Jew on the outside, whose circumcision is a physical thing.
Rom 2:29 Rather, the real Jew is the person who is a Jew on the inside, that is, whose heart has been circumcised, and this is the work of God's Spirit, not of the written Law. Such a person receives praise from God, not from human beings.
__________________
Ecc 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep His commandments: for this the totality of man.
"Blessed are they who have NOT seen and yet have believed." |
10th April 2009, 11:32 PM
| | Veteran Saint
62
| | Join Date: 22nd July 2007 Location: East of the Mississippi
Posts: 3,019
Blessings: 141,730 My Mood
Reps: 25,191,069,940,057,672 (power: 25,191,069,940,065) | | Originally Posted by sbvera13 There is neither Creationist nor Evolutionist?
Don't see him taking that angle now do we...
True, but it means the same thing. It really doesn't matter if you are a creationist or an evolutionist IF you are in Christ Jesus. What matters is...ARE YOU IN CHRIST JESUS? That's the only thing that counts.
__________________
Ecc 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep His commandments: for this the totality of man.
"Blessed are they who have NOT seen and yet have believed." |
10th April 2009, 11:33 PM
|  | Legend
  
| | Join Date: 25th March 2004
Posts: 35,330
Blessings: 20,985,209 My Mood 
Reps: 9,223,372,036,854,775,808 (power: 9,223,372,036,854,820) | | | If you love to work in the garden and love nature as God intended it, you just might be a creationist.
__________________
Since the Torah is a finite book expressing the will of an infinite God, many lessons must be derivable from each passage from all the infinite angles. |
11th April 2009, 02:18 AM
|  | Senior Member
29  
| | Join Date: 6th March 2007
Posts: 1,923
Blessings: 1,053,209
Reps: 3,978,662,265,867,660 (power: 3,978,662,265,873) | | Originally Posted by Inan3 As to the second part of your question, it's like asking if "you walk to work or take your lunch?", though they may be related in some way they are two definite options. Being a creationist does not necessarily mean you must be a Muslim.
I disagree. Creationism has an extremely strong Muslim following- look up Harun Yahya for an example. They believe it for the exact same reason- their religion tells them to. They use the exact same arguments for it. In fact, they tend to steal documentation from American creationism and swap "Allah" in for "god," thats almost the only difference between the two.
So, you use a different book from them. Everything else is exactly the same. Is it so unfair to ask why you pick one over the other?
__________________
On "illegal" immigration:
"Give us your poor, your tired, your huddled masses longing to be free..." -The Statue of Liberty
On the alleged connection between Hitler and Atheism:
"For it was by the Will of God that men were made of a certain bodily shape, were given their natures and their faculties." -Hitler, Mein Kampf, Volume II, Chapter X
On gay marriage (or any other discrimination) and the Bible:
"God has shown me that I should not call any man impure or unclean." -Paul the Apostle, Acts 10:28 |
11th April 2009, 03:06 AM
| | Veteran
 
| | Join Date: 2nd August 2007 Location: Some Americans call it 'the old country' the UK.
Posts: 1,685
Blessings: 105,542
Reps: 71,280,996,117 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by sbvera13 Is it so unfair to ask why you pick one over the other?
Now there's the rub, the truth is they didn't pick one over the other,
someone else picked it for them.
You don't honestly believe they all chose to be creationists do you?
it was decided for them long before they were even born.
(but I will bet all the gold in Fort Knox that not one of them will admit it) |
11th April 2009, 04:33 AM
| | Legend
59  
| | Join Date: 14th April 2007 Location: Ontario, Canada
Posts: 18,047
Blessings: 834,342 My Mood
Reps: 64,287,781,764 (power: 0) | |
Originally Posted by consol Now there's the rub, the truth is they didn't pick one over the other,
someone else picked it for them.
You don't honestly believe they all chose to be creationists do you?
it was decided for them long before they were even born.
(but I will bet all the gold in Fort Knox that not one of them will admit it) It is natural to know that God created everything when you hasve a relationship with Him. I admit gladly that I was chosen before the foundation of the world.
I would never expect an atheist or even an unbeliever in Jesus Christ to know or accept the truth of our beginning. It is a basic truth that those who know God receive. It is how He centers us His people. |
11th April 2009, 07:52 AM
| | Veteran
| | Join Date: 2nd August 2007 Location: Some Americans call it 'the old country' the UK.
Posts: 1,685
Blessings: 105,542
Reps: 71,280,996,117 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by Floatingaxe It is natural to know that God created everything when you hasve a relationship with Him. I admit gladly that I was chosen before the foundation of the world.
I would never expect an atheist or even an unbeliever in Jesus Christ to know or accept the truth of our beginning. It is a basic truth that those who know God receive. It is how He centers us His people.
It would seem that you are more than happy with the indoctrination you received,
I have little doubt the Muslims or any of the others feel exactly the same way about their gods,
I was not indoctrinated so I guess I will just have to suffer in my ignorance,
although they do say that ignorance is bliss, and I'm blissfully ignorant about any of the gods. |
11th April 2009, 07:59 AM
| | Veteran
| | Join Date: 2nd August 2007 Location: Some Americans call it 'the old country' the UK.
Posts: 1,685
Blessings: 105,542
Reps: 71,280,996,117 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by Floatingaxe I admit gladly that I was chosen before the foundation of the world.
Is this just another way of saying:
I had no hand in choosing my religion but now that I have been fully indoctrinated
I have decided that the religion I have been given is the one I would have chosen
had I been given the opportunity.
The come back on that is: That's what they all say............... |
11th April 2009, 10:16 AM
| | Legend
| | Join Date: 25th March 2004
Posts: 35,330
Blessings: 20,985,209 My Mood
Reps: 9,223,372,036,854,775,808 (power: 9,223,372,036,854,820) | | Originally Posted by consol Is this just another way of saying:
I had no hand in choosing my religion but now that I have been fully indoctrinated
I have decided that the religion I have been given is the one I would have chosen
had I been given the opportunity.
The come back on that is: That's what they all say...............
Nope, I challenged the real God to stand up.. and come and talk to me.. He did.. and so after that talk... I believe.. and I did have a hand in choosing what I believe.. never swallow anything just because they say so.. 
__________________
Since the Torah is a finite book expressing the will of an infinite God, many lessons must be derivable from each passage from all the infinite angles. |
11th April 2009, 10:55 AM
| | Veteran
| | Join Date: 2nd August 2007 Location: Some Americans call it 'the old country' the UK.
Posts: 1,685
Blessings: 105,542
Reps: 71,280,996,117 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by visionary Nope, I challenged the real God to stand up.. and come and talk to me..
Is this the same god that created EVERYTHING? Originally Posted by visionary He did..
So your god is a 'He'. Originally Posted by visionary and so after that talk...
Your god actually talked to you? Originally Posted by visionary I believe..
Just getting through to a ghost that talked would be enough for me.. Originally Posted by visionary and I did have a hand in choosing what I believe.. never swallow anything just because they say so..
How did you know which god to contact? I suppose you were lucky 'He' spoke English.
Or am I being too literal, because all of this took place inside your head? | | |
| Thread Tools | | | | Display Modes |  Linear Mode |
| | |
