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One thing that I tend to see in a lot of anti-evolutionist questions or reasonings in some way shape or form is:
People believe in evolution just so they won't be accountable to God.
and/or
People believe in evolution just because they can't conceive of a loving Creator.
Examples like : Why do people turn to evolution? Are they unable to conceive of a loving Creator? Why do you believe in evolution, do you just not want to be held accountable at the end of days? If we discredit evolution enough, people will remember they are accountable to the One who created them. Etc etc etc.
Now, I'm curious as to why this line of reasoning is so popular? Where did they come from? A lot of evolutionists are theistic and thus contradict those two statements by their very existence, and I've never seen evolution given as the sole reason someone doesn't believe in God, or the truth of the Bible, etc.
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One thing that I tend to see in a lot of anti-evolutionist questions or reasonings in some way shape or form is:
People believe in evolution just so they won't be accountable to God.
and/or
People believe in evolution just because they can't conceive of a loving Creator.
Examples like : Why do people turn to evolution? Are they unable to conceive of a loving Creator? Why do you believe in evolution, do you just not want to be held accountable at the end of days? If we discredit evolution enough, people will remember they are accountable to the One who created them. Etc etc etc.
Now, I'm curious as to why this line of reasoning is so popular? Where did they come from? A lot of evolutionists are theistic and thus contradict those two statements by their very existence, and I've never seen evolution given as the sole reason someone doesn't believe in God, or the truth of the Bible, etc.
Metherion
The bottom line of evolution is to survive (anything goes). So the goal is wrong to begin with.
Or, if you like to argue: A principle of evolution is having no goal (anything goes). That is wrong too.
Or, the process of evolution has no right or wrong (anything goes). And that is wrong.
The bottom line of evolution is to survive (anything goes). So the goal is wrong to begin with.
Or, if you like to argue: A principle of evolution is having no goal (anything goes). That is wrong too.
Or, the process of evolution has no right or wrong (anything goes). And that is wrong.
So it is wrong anyway you look at it.
The fallacy in your reasoning is supposing that scientists hold up nature as an ethical standard. I'm not trying to be insulting here, but it appears that you really believed that.
The bottom line of evolution is to survive (anything goes). So the goal is wrong to begin with.
Or, if you like to argue: A principle of evolution is having no goal (anything goes). That is wrong too.
Or, the process of evolution has no right or wrong (anything goes). And that is wrong.
So it is wrong anyway you look at it.
No, it's not "anything goes". Social species need to have a code of "ethics" they live by in order to survive. Piranhas don't eat each other, they get along, they can't just do anything. Primates care for their young, they can't just do anything. People need to get along to at least a reasonable degree, which includes not murdering, raping etc. Evolution has never promoted an "anything goes" philosophy.
And we observe "survival of the fittest" all around us in nature. Why do people deny this?
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Now, I'm curious as to why this line of reasoning is so popular? Where did they come from? A lot of evolutionists are theistic and thus contradict those two statements by their very existence, and I've never seen evolution given as the sole reason someone doesn't believe in God, or the truth of the Bible, etc.
Metherion
the answer is simple. Some people get so caught up in their own theology that they believe anyone who disagrees with them MUST disagree with God. So, in this case, someone who takes Genesis 1 and 2 literally genuinely believes that someone who does not MUST not really believe in God. They simply are not open minded enough to conceive of someone holding vastly differing views and still believing in the same God, thus they look at themselves and the one who disagrees with them and say, "one of us must not be a believer and I know it's not me."
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One thing that I tend to see in a lot of anti-evolutionist questions or reasonings in some way shape or form is:
People believe in evolution just so they won't be accountable to God.
and/or
People believe in evolution just because they can't conceive of a loving Creator.
These are general statements so of course it does not apply to everyone. It's safe to say "smoking is bad for your health" even though there are many smokers without any health problems.
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the answer is simple. Some people get so caught up in their own theology that they believe anyone who disagrees with them MUST disagree with God. So, in this case, someone who takes Genesis 1 and 2 literally genuinely believes that someone who does not MUST not really believe in God. They simply are not open minded enough to conceive of someone holding vastly differing views and still believing in the same God, thus they look at themselves and the one who disagrees with them and say, "one of us must not be a believer and I know it's not me."
You make it too simple. It is not just black or white. There are a shades of gray in between. In addition, without comparison, many would take light grays as white.
Open mind means to know variations and possibilities. Jesus tells us to have a "pure mind". This teaching is politically very wrong today.
You make it too simple. It is not just black or white. There are a shades of gray in between. In addition, without comparison, many would take light grays as white.
interesting. I am actually a proponent of many gray areas in interpreting scripture, so I am not sure what you are saying. The question was (I thought) why do people adhere to such thoughts as saying when someone believes in evolution, they are somehow dismissing God (my translation of the question)--something I've heard for years in this very forum. My answer is that when someone doesn't see anything but black and white, they come to this conclusion. Now your response is that I am too black and white? Interesting.
Open mind means to know variations and possibilities. Jesus tells us to have a "pure mind". This teaching is politically very wrong today.
what teaching is politically wrong? the open mind or the "to have a pure mind?" I am confused by your response to me on this, or perhaps you were attributing the part you highlighted as my own thoughts rather than what I propose to be the thoughts of those who think this way? Help me understand
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interesting. I am actually a proponent of many gray areas in interpreting scripture, so I am not sure what you are saying. The question was (I thought) why do people adhere to such thoughts as saying when someone believes in evolution, they are somehow dismissing God (my translation of the question)--something I've heard for years in this very forum. My answer is that when someone doesn't see anything but black and white, they come to this conclusion. Now your response is that I am too black and white? Interesting.
what teaching is politically wrong? the open mind or the "to have a pure mind?" I am confused by your response to me on this, or perhaps you were attributing the part you highlighted as my own thoughts rather than what I propose to be the thoughts of those who think this way? Help me understand
My response had a few turns in it. Sorry to lose you.
We should have a pure heart (see things as black/white). So we should NOT consider all shades of gray as acceptable alternatives. Bush administration was more toward black/white. Obama administration is totally gray. Creation is totally black/white. But evolution is completely gray.
My response had a few turns in it. Sorry to lose you.
So you've found someone else who can't keep up with your superior intellect!!! This seems to happen a lot around here. People don't understand what you are trying to say, and we all know it couldn't be because you aren't very clear about what u are saying...
Originally Posted by juvenissun
We should have a pure heart (see things as black/white). So we should NOT consider all shades of gray as acceptable alternatives. Bush administration was more toward black/white. Obama administration is totally gray. Creation is totally black/white. But evolution is completely gray.
Yes this was much clearer, thanks for laying it all out for us....
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