bad translation, "create calamity" is more accurate
Creating calamity is evil.
There is a difference between me going out and killing some and going out and rigging an explosion which will open a sink hole under them which swallows them. One is evil, the other calamity, but both are evil.
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Jeremiah 1:5
"Before I formed you in the womb I knew you"
That is BEFORE, not WHEN.
Life starts before conception. Supporting a woman's right to choose to not fertilize an egg, giving her the ability to choose to let a life die, is pro-choice, not pro-life.
Yeah I was gonna say, im sure he didnt create evil lol.
He did.
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Jeremiah 1:5
"Before I formed you in the womb I knew you"
That is BEFORE, not WHEN.
Life starts before conception. Supporting a woman's right to choose to not fertilize an egg, giving her the ability to choose to let a life die, is pro-choice, not pro-life.
The servers a messed up, somehow my post are appearing in the middle of page two, not the end of it.
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Jeremiah 1:5
"Before I formed you in the womb I knew you"
That is BEFORE, not WHEN.
Life starts before conception. Supporting a woman's right to choose to not fertilize an egg, giving her the ability to choose to let a life die, is pro-choice, not pro-life.
I think that there is evil in the word because God can create a better world in the future that if there never were evil. Otherwise I can't see any justification for evil.
Some people read verses such as this and claim that it means God creates sin. But their problem is in their knowledge and understanding of the word evil. They erroneously surmise that evil always means sin, but that is not the case. The word translated evil in scripture does not "necessarily" mean evil in the same sense that we understand evil in our day. We use the word evil today as a synonym for sin or wickedness, but that is not the case in scripture. The word translated evil is the Hebrew word [ra'], meaning something that is "not good." It is from a root word meaning to be spoiled, and by implication something that is not good. i.e., bad. It does not mean evil in the sense that we might think of the word today, but more correctly understood as bad or anything that is "not good" to us. For example, if a child receives a spanking, or we go through some adversity or anything which we deem not good for us, it is [ra'] or evil. e.g.:
translated from original Hebrew ז יוֹצֵר אוֹר וּבוֹרֵא חֹשֶׁךְ, עֹשֶׂה שָׁלוֹם וּבוֹרֵא רָע; אֲנִי יְהוָה, עֹשֶׂה כָל-אֵלֶּה. {פ} 7 I form the light, and create darkness; I make peace, and create evil; I am the LORD, that doeth all these things. {P}
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The Bible teaches that both moral evil and natural evil exist. It is a mistake to use both interchangeably. Natural evil (tornados, earthquakes, etc.) are occurances in nature. Moral evil deals with human behavior.
Evil does not exist as a real entity. It is only the description of the result of a violation of either God's written word or the innate moral law from God that humans are born with.
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The existence of evil is often presented as a problem for the existence of God. After all, if God is morally good, and omnipotent, and omniscient, why doesn't he get rid of evil?
It should be noted at this point that people who present this argument do not simply mean 'sinful evil', but rather, bad things in general, like the suffering of a deer which is trapped underneath a tree, dying over the course of several days. What good does that suffering possibly provide? How could God allow that sort of suffering?
There are a number of responses that have been made, but it is nevertheless a tricky discussion. There are a number of cases of evil such that it seems as though no good could possibly come out of it. What of the Holocaust? What of the extermination of millions more in Russia under Stalin? What of Darfur?
How do you respond to this problem? Is this an issue you have struggled with? How have you worked it out, if you have?
Go read James. Evil is not a problem, nor is suffering. They are opportunities to display God's love, and without choice, this cannot be manifest in humans.
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"Offense" is something TAKEN. No one MAKES anyone feel anything. IF we are offended by something, we CHOSE to be offended by it...
But I think that OFTEN, people confuse discussion with fighting. Disagreeing is not personal, it is not an attack, it is not disrespectful or flaming, it is not offensive per se. It ONLY means, "I disagree." Nothing more. Nothing less. It suggests NO emotional response whatsoever.
NO ONE is mandated to agree with anyone.
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The Bible teaches that both moral evil and natural evil exist. It is a mistake to use both interchangeably. Natural evil (tornados, earthquakes, etc.) are occurances in nature. Moral evil deals with human behavior.
Evil does not exist as a real entity. It is only the description of the result of a violation of either God's written word or the innate moral law from God that humans are born with.
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Go read James. Evil is not a problem, nor is suffering. They are opportunities to display God's love, and without choice, this cannot be manifest in humans.
Evil very much is a problem, even in light of James. Thousands of Christians leave the faith because of it. It is a very large subject in philosophical theology. It is one of the largest problems that the Christian faith must account for.
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