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But they have, dad -- they've told us so much about the past, which you have no choice but to hysterically reject.
What have you produced in either the here and now or the there and then? Nothing.
Not great results, but results nonetheless.
Again, what have you to offer anyone -- offer, as in are actually able to deliver? Nothing but hysterics.
And yet, both science and God's word have left you with nothing. How sad for you.
The concept that you are trying to argue against is that the entire state of reality was different in the past. You cant "prove" that it was not; therefore its true that it was. AND because it would have to have been to fit the so-called religion that goes with it. A long string of adjectives from the thesaurus makes the whole concept twice as true.
It seems a mistake to try to argue the point for two reasons:
1) It is unassailable, like any of the "cant prove it didnt exist" arguments.
2) if it is the entire basis for anyone's faith, then a person should consider the possible consequences of success is wrecking the basis for that faith.
The concept that you are trying to argue against is that the entire state of reality was different in the past. You cant "prove" that it was not; therefore its true that it was. AND because it would have to have been to fit the so-called religion that goes with it. A long string of adjectives from the thesaurus makes the whole concept twice as true.
It seems a mistake to try to argue the point for two reasons:
1) It is unassailable, like any of the "cant prove it didnt exist" arguments.
2) if it is the entire basis for anyone's faith, then a person should consider the possible consequences of success is wrecking the basis for that faith.
Unassailable..I like that. Live and learn Nat. Of course the claims that we are 'told' of the past, are from a modern present state science perspective. What we are told, has nothing to do with the belief based opinions, and zealous pagan guesswork of same paste so called science.
__________________ The present is...NOT...the key to the past. That is where science messed up. The future is the key to the past.
Unassailable..I like that. Live and learn Nat. Of course the claims that we are 'told' of the past, are from a modern present state science perspective. What we are told, has nothing to do with the belief based opinions, and zealous pagan guesswork of same paste so called science.
Did someone say "belief based opinions?"
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Personally I really wonder how many creationists know deep inside that evolution makes more sense but they don't want to admit it because of their religious environment and that it conflicts with their own believes so just ignoring the truth is easier that to re-think your whole position.
Obviously one's mind who doesn't even want to find the truth won't ever explore all the evidence for evolution all the way.
But there are creationists with PhD's and such (although relatively very few). They must be so hard headed to the point where I almost can't stop thinking they deserve some respect for that.
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Evolution makes no sense. Complexity does not originate naturally from the simple. The very foundation of evolution is based in the notion that one celled organisms developed on there own into multicellular ones.
Evolution makes no sense. Complexity does not originate naturally from the simple. The very foundation of evolution is based in the notion that one celled organisms developed on there own into multicellular ones.
Actually evolution makes perfect sense. Your premise that complexity cannot arise naturally from the simple is what makes no sense.
For a very very simple example, put sugar in water and dissolve it. You just have sugar water, totally random. Let it sit and highly complex sugar crystals grow out of the solution.
How about you have nothing but dirt, and water. Let the water flow across the land and a watershed will develop, You want a complex system? Study a watershed. Its just made out of dirt and water.
So, sorry but you cant just negate evolution that easily. You dont WANT to believe it, and dont understand it.
But honestly, you are not going to get many thousands of highly educated and dedicated scientists to be fooled for 150 years, all over the world, by something that anybody could just come along and find a simple obvious flaw that blows the whole thing up. Sorry. You'd have to do WAY better than that.
Live and learn Nat. Of course the claims that we are 'told' of the past, are from a modern present state science perspective.
Or, from a pre-modern superstitious mythological perspective.
Chinese Menu -- pick from column A or column B.
What we are told, has nothing to do with the belief based opinions, and zealous pagan guesswork of same paste so called science.
Too bad -- those Pagans probably could've taught you a thing or two.
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Complexity does not originate naturally from the simple.
Simple:
leads to complex:
All perfectly natural.
The very foundation of evolution is based in the notion that one celled organisms developed on there own into multicellular ones.
Who said it was "on there [sic] own"?
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Don't talk like one of them. You're not! Even if you'd like to be.
To them, you're just a freak, like me! They need you right now, but when they don't, they'll cast you out, like a leper! You see, their morals, their code, it's a bad joke. Dropped at the first sign of trouble. They're only as good as the world allows them to be. I'll show you. When the chips are down, these... these civilized people, they'll eat each other.
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