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Old 19th March 2009, 11:32 PM
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Did Noah Save Insects?

Did Noah save a pair of ants; a male and his female?

Or a pair of bugs; a male and his female?

Did he save a pair of slugs; a male and his female?

Or a pair of bees; a male and his female?

What about fish?

Did Noah save a pair of fish; a male and his female?

If not, where did they come from?
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Old 20th March 2009, 06:35 AM
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He brought one pair of the insect kind on board.
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Old 20th March 2009, 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Doveaman View Post
What about fish?

Did Noah save a pair of fish; a male and his female?
Fish are generally good at not drowning.
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But mud flows gives them asthma.
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Originally Posted by Assyrian View Post
But mud flows gives them asthma.
This is a very good point.

Even I understand the Noah's Flood literally, I have hard time to see how could Noah save the fishes (even with the help of angels). It is more likely that fishes were preserved in pockets of clean water in the ocean.

This leads to a problem that how literal could it be in the understanding of the global flood. Question in the OP is, in fact, an example of this problem. The Scripture does not record every details and It should not do so. So, while I literally believe the event, I would also say that the description skipped a lot of details. For example, fishes were not brought into the ark, does not mean the Scripture makes a wrong description.
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That would have been hard. Just finding a blade small enough to do the job would be difficult, let alone pinning down insects without killing them, or the kind of precision needed to ...

... hmm, save you say, not shave?
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Originally Posted by juvenissun View Post
This is a very good point.

Even I understand the Noah's Flood literally, I have hard time to see how could Noah save the fishes (even with the help of angels). It is more likely that fishes were preserved in pockets of clean water in the ocean.
Lets see, you flood the earth with torrents that grind the surface of the earth into sediment kilometres thick, swirl the world ocean around with hurricanes, flood surges, fountains of the deep, and giant tides unhindered by land for about a year, and after all that there are still pockets of clean water?

This leads to a problem that how literal could it be in the understanding of the global flood. Question in the OP is, in fact, an example of this problem. The Scripture does not record every details and It should not do so. So, while I literally believe the event, I would also say that the description skipped a lot of details. For example, fishes were not brought into the ark, does not mean the Scripture makes a wrong description.
Or biblical account simply isn't describing a global flood.
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That would have been hard. Just finding a blade small enough to do the job would be difficult, let alone pinning down insects without killing them, or the kind of precision needed to ...

... hmm, save you say, not shave?
And now we know how humans lost their hair... I can see the film adaptation Sean Connery as the silverback leading a flange of australopithicuseses in their first great prayer, "When will you shave the people..."
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And now we know how humans lost their hair... I can see the film adaptation Sean Connery as the silverback leading a flange of australopithicuseses in their first great prayer, "When will you shave the people..."
"Behold, the Lamb who takes away the shins of the world!"

The possibilities are myriad.
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Insects, arthropods, and fish don't have nostrils. That is what many would say about the "which organisms died in the flood" question.
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