The denial of free will is a Calvinst (not scriptural) "pressuposition" they took from the Islamic understanding of God.. which is certainly ironic in this topic.
You don't understand Islam nor Calvinism.
Islam is highly pelagian, their view states that human beings are neither good nor bad. If anything your RCC view is closer to theirs than ours.
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No, you said humans aren't inclined to good, which is what I disagreed with. Then you quoted scripture.
No where does scripture state we are inclined to do good. Why do we even need a savior then based on your own view?
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No where does scripture state we are inclined to do good. Why do we even need a savior then based on your own view?
Absolutely! In fact it is clearly indicated that we all fall short and have an inherant sinful nature that needs to be subjected to the will of God for refinement and control. Controlling ourselves is beyond us. Jesus clarified who is really good when he said:
Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good-except God alone.
It is clear that none of us are good, there are no good people only a good God. Allah is certainly not good nor is he a god. There is only one God and His son is Jesus Christ the only way to salvation. There is nothing equitable between the koran and the bible neither is there anything equitable between God and allah who isn't even a god at all.
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Despite the POV expressed in the OP, there are NOT a lot of similarities between the Bible and the Koran.
The Koran is simply a collection of Mohammed's thoughts arranged in order of the length of each entry. There is no chronology to the verses in the way that the books of the Bible are structured, nor does it tell the story of the interaction of God with his people over a long period of time.
It's true that both religions are monotheistic faiths, but Allah was already known to the Arab people prior to the coming of Mohammad. He was one of the many gods in that polytheistic system. Mohammad merely came to the belief that Allah was really the only God instead of one among many. There are no polytheistic origins to the Christian God.
It's also true--as has been said already--that Islam is a works-based faith whereas the Bible teaches is that salvation is through the atoning work of Christ done on our behalf.
I dont think is the same God, at least in their concept i think is different of our concept of who God is. They belive in a punisher God who is above in the sky... we belive in a loving God that he will bring Justice, He is WITH US, and we can have a personal relationship everyday... muslims dont belive this..
No, Muslims believe you can have a personal relationship with Allah (God of the Koran). Except Allah is not a Trinity like the Christian God. Allah is sovereign, so is the Christian God BUT, Allah chooses what is good and bad, The Christian God, IS GOOD and anything opposite of Him, is bad.
There are not alot of similarities between the Koran and Christian Bible. The Koran is meant to be spoken out loud and with passion, it's holy and is not to touch the floor, be touched with dirty hands, not to go in dirty places (such as a bathroom), etc. and is written in one language only. (written in others too, but you have to be able to read and understand the arabic one)
On the other hand, the Christian Bible is translated into many languages for the sake of people coming to know Christ, is to be taken wherever, is not holy but a guide, written by authoritative people, written by many people from all over the world and backgrounds.
You are correct that muslims dont believe in Jesus Crucifixion but because they dont believe in the crucifixion dont mean they dont believe in the same God as christians do. To believe in Jesus is to accept him as your savior but it dont mean they wont be saved too only God can judge us. We dont know all the answers only what we are told by other prophets.
What is the difference between God and the Muslim god? It seems like there are a lot of similarities between the Qur'an and the Bible.
My bishop put it something like this...
In Christianity if you fall down a well than God, out of His love, will go down to bring you up.
If you fall down a well in Islam, than Allah will leave you there and chastise you because "you should have obeyed me when I said don't go into that well. Because you disobeyed me you are stuck there".
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As long as Jesus is not "on board" there is no similarity.
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Be sober, be watchful. Your adversary the devil prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking some one to devour. Resist him, firm in your faith, knowing that the same experience of suffering is required of your brotherhood throughout the world.
The Koran is simply a collection of Mohammed's thoughts arranged in order of the length of each entry. There is no chronology to the verses in the way that the books of the Bible are structured, nor does it tell the story of the interaction of God with his people over a long period of time.
If I'm not mistaken, after the Gospels & Acts Paul's letters are arranged from longest to shortest, then other authors are arranged in some kind of order...been nice if those that put it together would have had some thought of chronology
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