Islam is a works based religion much of how most of current christianity has turned out to be. Christianity in its origins is a grace based religion in which God came into the world to save us. There is no ritual no dance no anything to save us. We are not saved by our works but solely by grace unlike Islam which there isn't a personal god. Not to mention there is no original sin. According to Muslim theology we a born neutral capable of doing good unlike Christianity were we totally depraved and God has to come rescue us.
Calvinism, a theological branch within Christians, holds that people are totally depraved at birth. Most Christians holds that humans are inclinded to good, but commit evil acts because of their fallen nature.
I used to reason that the Christian and Muslim Gods were the same. "Allah" is simply the Arabic word for "God," just as it is "Dios" in Spanish. And the attributes credited to Allah are the same as for YHWH--omnipotent, omniscient, etc. I thought they worshiped the same God, they just called Him by a different name and didn't accept Jesus.
But--without Jesus, it can't possibly be the same God. The Muslims are adamant that "Allah has no son." YHWH definitely has a Son.
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Calvinism, a theological branch within Christians, holds that people are totally depraved at birth. Most Christians holds that humans are inclinded to good, but commit evil acts because of their fallen nature.
I beg to differ. Humans are not inclined to good.
Romans 3:10-18
10 As it is written:
There is none righteous, no, not one;
11 There is none who understands; There is none who seeks after God.
12 They have all turned aside; They have together become unprofitable; There is none who does good, no, not one.
13 Theirthroatisan opentomb; With their tongues they have practiced deceit;
The poison of aspsisunder their lips;
14 Whose mouthisfull of cursing and bitterness.
15 Theirfeetareswift to shed blood;
16 Destruction and miseryarein their ways;
17 And the way of peace they have not known.
18 There is no fear of God before their eyes.
Since you deny free will, of course you have to believe that.
I do believe that humans have free will and therefore choose to do good and virtuous acts - thus, they are not depraved. Humans are flawed, not wretched- otherwise we would have killed ourselves off long ago.
Since you deny free will, of course you have to believe that.
I do believe that humans have free will and therefore choose to do good and virtuous acts - thus, they are not depraved. Humans are flawed, not wretched- otherwise we would have killed ourselves off long ago.
I'm merely quoting scripture.
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With him is strength and wisdom: the deceived and the deceiver are his. Job 12:16
__________________ "Love the sinner, hate the sin? How about: Love the sinner, hate your own sin! I don't have time to hate your sin. There are too many of you! Hating my sin is a full-time job. How about you hate your sin, I'll hate my sin and let's just love each other!"
Quran 4:157 (Y. Ali) That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah.;- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-
Muslims deny that Christ is God.
Quran 5:17 (Y. Ali) In blasphemy indeed are those that say that Allah is Christ the son of Mary. Say: "Who then hath the least power against Allah, if His will were to destroy Christ the son of Mary, his mother, and all every - one that is on the earth? For to Allah belongeth the dominion of the heavens and the earth, and all that is between. He createth what He pleaseth. For Allah hath power over all things."
If we are to say that Muslims worship the same God as we do then Christianity is a big joke. The crucifixion never happened and we are the biggest fools who ever inhabited this planet.
Muhammed said he got these revelations directly from an Angel. Who is the Angel that would say these things? Who is the Angel that would stand to gain from teaching these things?
Last edited by Secundulus; 26th March 2009 at 01:30 AM.
Since you deny free will, of course you have to believe that.
I do believe that humans have free will and therefore choose to do good and virtuous acts - thus, they are not depraved. Humans are flawed, not wretched- otherwise we would have killed ourselves off long ago.
Yes, it's the catholic pressuposition. Not scriptural one.
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Yes, it's the catholic pressuposition. Not scriptural one.
The denial of free will is a Calvinst (not scriptural) "pressuposition" they took from the Islamic understanding of God.. which is certainly ironic in this topic.
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