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18th March 2009, 09:11 PM
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19th March 2009, 07:27 PM
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26th March 2009, 03:36 PM
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Reps: 208,606,668,648,834 (power: 208,606,668,660) | | | I honestly have no clue. I am going on trust of God and the knowledge that the evils of this world (torture, suffering,, etc) will be taken care of.
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26th March 2009, 06:58 PM
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Reps: 2,011,079,675,905,825,280 (power: 2,011,079,675,905,841) | | Originally Posted by JonMiller  I honestly have no clue. I am going on trust of God and the knowledge that the evils of this world (torture, suffering,, etc) will be taken care of.
JM
You seem to see God as an absentee landlord who will put things right when He returns from His rather long journey. |
26th March 2009, 08:13 PM
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But as far as after I die? Yeah, I have to trust in God. I don't believe I can live forever without Him.
And there is no evidence that we can overcome the evils of torture/suffering/etc in this world. Despite the reasoning and promise of humanism and the enlightenment. I am an empericist. We have all of recorded history showing that humans are no more capable of overcoming their problems despite all their philosophy, technology, and religion.
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27th March 2009, 05:04 AM
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Reps: 2,011,079,675,905,825,280 (power: 2,011,079,675,905,841) | | Originally Posted by JonMiller And there is no evidence that we can overcome the evils of torture/suffering/etc in this world. Despite the reasoning and promise of humanism and the enlightenment. I am an empericist. We have all of recorded history showing that humans are no more capable of overcoming their problems despite all their philosophy, technology, and religion.
JM
An empiricist does not conclude that lack of success means lack of capability. Sometimes a change of paradigm is all one needs. |
27th March 2009, 06:41 AM
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Reps: 208,606,668,648,834 (power: 208,606,668,660) | | | Logic and empiricism has served us well as far as explaining the world and living longer lives. While I agree that they haven't solved the problem of evil, they have acheived results in other facets of life.
To change away from them seems to me to be foolishness.
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27th March 2009, 08:45 AM
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Reps: 2,011,079,675,905,825,280 (power: 2,011,079,675,905,841) | | Originally Posted by JonMiller Logic and empiricism has served us well as far as explaining the world and living longer lives. While I agree that they haven't solved the problem of evil, they have acheived results in other facets of life.
To change away from them seems to me to be foolishness.
JM
I don't recall anyone suggesting that we should. How did you get on this wagon? |
12th September 2009, 06:09 PM
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Reps: 124,980,287,714 (power: 124,980,290) | | | I'm new here and am wanting to learn how the bible describes heaven. Is it one place where all the people that followed the bible go and live? And when I say live is that like we do here, but we are with God.
Thanks in advance. |
14th September 2009, 02:28 PM
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Reps: 10,986,165,904,026,884 (power: 10,986,165,904,034) | | Originally Posted by inder11 I'm new here and am wanting to learn how the bible describes heaven. Is it one place where all the people that followed the bible go and live? And when I say live is that like we do here, but we are with God.
Thanks in advance.
A person's answer to this question will vary based on how literally they view the Bible. There are some who view Heaven as a literal place. Others view it as a figment of men's imaginations. I fall into the former camp.
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