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When does God stop loving you?

To any and all (I would like a multi-denominational view on this):

I've pondered over this question a lot. God initially loves you unconditionally, right? So when does God say to a creation that he loves unconditionally, "I no longer love you because of what you've done," and send you to hell? At what point does God abandon you?

Because if hell exists, this must happen at some point.
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God loves us always
He loves us so much that He will let us leave Him, if we die in such a state, a state of seperation from God, we become fixed, growing and changing is for the living, once we are dead the dye is set, we are either friends of God or we have set ourself agianst Him, if we have set ourself agianst Him we would not want to spend forever with Him. The options are heaven or hell, if we set ourselves agianst God we have chosen a horrible eternity of pain
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But have you ever met a person who wants to go to hell as opposed to heaven? Who would rather suffer eternal damnation as opposed to eternal paradise?
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Originally Posted by nt11 View Post
To any and all (I would like a multi-denominational view on this):

I've pondered over this question a lot. God initially loves you unconditionally, right? So when does God say to a creation that he loves unconditionally, "I no longer love you because of what you've done," and send you to hell? At what point does God abandon you?

Because if hell exists, this must happen at some point.
I belong to the EFCA, here are some of our views from our statement of faith:

The Human Condition:
We believe that God created Adam and Eve in His image, but they sinned when tempted by Satan. In union with Adam, human beings are sinners by nature and by choice, alienated from God, and under His wrath. Only through Godís saving work in Jesus Christ can we be rescued, reconciled and renewed.

Christian Living: We believe that Godís justifying grace must not be separated from His sanctifying power and purpose. God commands us to love Him supremely and others sacrificially, and to live out our faith with care for one another, compassion toward the poor and justice for the oppressed. With Godís Word, the Spiritís power, and fervent prayer in Christís name, we are to combat the spiritual forces of evil. In obedience to Christís commission, we are to make disciples among all people, always bearing witness to the gospel in word and deed.



In our view, we are naturally separated from God, and he loves us unconditionally when we choose to accept His son Jesus Christ. The way your post is written, I think you may have it backwards, though I cede that I may be misunderstanding.



The above are just 2 of the 10 points of our statement of faith, I chose these two because they are most relevant to the question. You can see the entire statement of faith on the EFCA website.


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So basically, God hates me when I’m born? If I were born into a Buddhist household in Rural China and died when I was 6, before I discovered anything about Jesus, God would cast me into hell?
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But have you ever met a person who wants to go to hell as opposed to heaven? Who would rather suffer eternal damnation as opposed to eternal paradise?
do you know anyone who hates God?
I am sure very few people would say they would want hell and not heaven, but the reality is, they do not understand their own hearts, God is love, how many people do you know who hate God, hate other people and hate themselves?
the number might be few, but I would assume you know atleast one or two
you can pick hate or love, love is not easy, it is not about feeling good all the time, it is about real love for God, other people and yourself
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So basically, God hates me when Iím born? If I were born into a Buddhist household in Rural China and died when I was 6, before I discovered anything about Jesus, God would cast me into hell?
We can summize from some scriptural text, though not stated specifically, that there is an 'age of accountability' that before which, we can trust God in His goodness to do the right thing with children when they die. This age is likely different from child to child, however; based on Jewish tradition it has commonly been thought to be 13, although at 6 my daughter has made a fairly well reasoned case for her faith (at least to the ability of a 6 year old intellect). The scripture I can refer you to is 2 Samuel 12:21-23. Here David has lost a child, and he says "I shall go to him, but he will not return to me" indicating that he will be with his child in Heaven.

You confuse sin with hatred here. God doesn't "hate" us from our birth, but if we allow scripture to be our guide, we know that we are born into sin (Psalm 51:5 "I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin my mother conceived me.") and that salvation comes by faith alone in Christ (John 14:6 "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father, but through Me." and Acts 4:12 "there is salvation in no one else; for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men, by which we must be saved.")

Again, let scripture be your guide in answering tough questions, you do yourself no favors leaning on the intellect of people, or human rationalization.
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To Rhamiel:

Okay, so you attain heaven through love. But say you were born into a dysfunctional family in a gang-infested urban neighborhood, and your life was horrible. Your parents could not support themselves, and in fact were spiteful towards you because they viewed you as a burden. They did not love you. You were undernourished, and were improperly educated early on in life. You knew no outside influence that tangibly expressed love towards you. Many of your friends died in gang violence, and you yourself were killed by a stray bullet at age 15, knowing only cynicism and spite towards the world. In this situation, you did not love God or others. So God would send you to hell?

Are these not the ones toward whom Jesus preached mercy? The poor, the unfortunate, the outcasts?
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So for the sake of argument, let's say this Buddhist boy died at age 14. He knew nothing about Christ. God sends him to hell for eternity?
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to Lenpettis:

So for the sake of argument, let's say this Buddhist boy died at age 14. He knew nothing about Christ. God sends him to hell for eternity?
What does scripture say? If you don't like tough answers, stop asking tough questions.

As for your boy in the hood, again, let scripture be your guide.

Did he ever tell a lie?
Did he ever steal?
Did he ever take the Lords name in vain?
Did he murder?
Did he commit adultery? (see Matt 5 for real definitions of the previous 2)
Did he covet anything?
Did he love the Lord God with all his heart, soul, mind, and strength?

If he did any of the above (except 7)what is he? Where will God send him as a result?
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Did he accept Jesus as his savior and repent? There isn't an american teenager that hasn't heard of Him, so stop putting up strawman arguments to make a weak case.

Now answer your own question...
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