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Reps: 469,803,519,634,706,496 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by music4two  Questions for Trinitarians
Most Trinitarians believe that Christ preexisted in a conscious state prior to his birth on earth? What happened to his memories and experiences from that time?
If Christ is 100% God and 100% man, what things did His deity do and what things His humanity? How do you know?
Can God change His character?
What happened to Jesus' memories?Joh 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
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30th November 2009, 07:21 PM
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"Since God is a spirit, according to the bible, and Jesus is a man , according to the bible, then that would mean that Jesus is the omnipresent spirit , a human body , soul and human spirit at the same time. So how can someone be ominipresent spirit and a physical body and soul at the same time?"
simple, you quantize. "Since according to trinity Jesus is God god the father is god, god the holy spirit is God, and they are not each other, how come that doesn't add up to 3 gods? why do you have to call each individual the nonbiblical term person of God before you can add them uP?
so if science find it hard to grasp natural phenomena as non locality, wave partice duality and superposition of states.... among other things, is it not unlikely that spiritual things should be much more counter intuitive. ? ." or "God is beyond our understanding" or "It makes sense to me." etc. etc. etc. etc
yes the problem is closemindedness and a naive realist view of the world. but as cited above, notions like nonlocality, wavw particle duality, superpositions shake our naive common sense mentality.
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1st December 2009, 02:56 PM
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Reps: 315,242,603,044,083 (power: 315,242,603,051) | | Originally Posted by hybrid so if science find it hard to grasp natural phenomena as non locality, wave partice duality and superposition of states.... among other things, is it not unlikely that spiritual things should be much more counter intuitive. ?
Spiritual phenomena...
You mean when Jesus:
- turned water into wine....
- Healed people remotely...
- Walked on water...
- Was born miraculously...
- Committed an exorcism remotely...
- Rose from the dead and ascended to heaven...
Science cannot prove those things, for they defy nature and are an act of God.
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1st December 2009, 03:04 PM
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Reps: 315,242,603,044,083 (power: 315,242,603,051) | | Originally Posted by 2ducklow generally speaking when i use the word God, i mean either #1
"...Upholding all things by the word of his power..."
Hebrews 1:3 (KJV)
"All things were made through Him..."
John 1:3
"For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist."
Colossians 1:16-17
Sounds like these passages are talking about "the creator and ruler of the universe," as you pointed out in your definition of God.
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yes, that;s what i am saying, if science can't explain their own paradox, how much more the mysteries of god.
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Anything that exists will leave evidence of it's existence. For example, if God is real then there should be good in the world. Likewise, if the Devil is real there will be evil as well. Hey, that's interesting. God and good are similar words, as is Devil and evil. Anyway, I digress.
The plan of salvation makes perfect sence to sinful humanity. That's why so many believe. Crime has it's punishment and so does sin. The Bible says the wages of sin is eternal death. It also says that God's plan is to send one equal to the law that was broken. Still, the only one equal to God's holy law is God period. But how can God die for mankind without being gone himself. And if he is gone then evil and the devil win. Common sence alone tells us that the universe will never be subject to Satan's madness. To save sinful humanity, God sent his Son, who has always been with him the Bible says, read John and Hebrews. The Holy Spirit is sent to the individual sinner as they accept Jesus. We know that God the Father exists because so many people wrote about him in the OT. And we know that Jesus exists because godly people wrote about his live in the NT. And we know the Holy Spirit exists because he is impressing our discussion about Jesus now, exalting him in some minds. If Jesus is not God the Son, he sure recieves a lot of attention from an unbelieving world. Consider the world's two main holidays: Christmas and Easter. One speaks of Jesus as God's infant Son, sent into the world as it's Savior. Easter is the fulfillment or climax of the Christmas story, in that, Jesus grew to be a man, and died for the sins of all sinners, though not all sinners will put on their life jacket of salvation. God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit are very real. One day you will find this out by experience.  |
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Reps: 469,803,519,634,706,496 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by Marky Markus Hi, 'Saffron'! Welcome to this site! I am also quite new on here! Do you know what the 'Word-of-Faith' denomination is? I have never heard of it before. The Word-Faith Movement*
By Gary E. Gilley
The fastest growing segment of professing Christianity today is the Word-Faith Movement, also known as the Positive Confession or simply "Faith" movement. Its growth is at least partially due to the massive amounts of money the leaders are able to extract from the faithful. This influx of cash allows for huge buildings and extensive ministries, and more importantly, wide exposure on television, which translates into numerical growth. Not only do many Word-Faith preachers broadcast their services and campaigns, but Word-Faith adherents, Paul and Jan Crouch, own the largest Christian-based television network in the world. The Trinity Broadcasting Network (TBN), founded by the Crouches, with an estimated net worth of approximately $600 million dollars, is capable of televising the Faith message (as well as many other errant messages) all over the world.
Well-known personalities within the movement include Kenneth Hagin, Kenneth Copeland, Robert Tilton (who is staging a come-back), Paul Yonggi Cho, Benny Hinn, Marilyn Hickey, Frederick K.C. Price, John Avanzini, Charles Capps, Jerry Savelle, Morris Cerullo and of course, Paul and Jan Crouch.
The Word-Faith Movement - by Gary Gilley |
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Reps: 469,803,519,634,706,496 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by Marky Markus Hey, 'Der Alter'! Thank you for that detailed description of what the 'Word-Faith' movement is! I assumed that it was non-Trinitarian, since 'Mr. Bojangles' is obviously not a Trinitarian. I think largely they are Trinitarian but there may be segments which have drifted away from that. |
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Reps: 22,998,968,944,494 (power: 22,998,968,950) | | Originally Posted by k2svpete I'd have to say the farce that attempts to assign pluracy to the adjective 'one' rather than the noun 'God'. Or coupled to that, saying that God is sometimes plural and other time single from the same root word.
Any number of attempts to argue the trinitarian viewpoint from the OT. I always ask them to show me where in the OT we get a trinity as that OT is what Jesus and the disciples taught out of.
I'm comfortable with an apparent silence of the OT on the Trinity. I'm more concerned with what the NT says about the OT and how the NT uses the OT in regard to Trinitarian theology. Originally Posted by k2svpete Further, that if it is such an important doctrine, where is the explicit statement of that anywhere.
The questions the biblical writers were asking were different than the one's asked today, such as yours. But the creeds were the outflow from biblical statements. Originally Posted by k2svpete Contrast this with the numerous times where God says that He is one and beside Him there are no others in the OT and the support Jesus has for that in Mark.
I find nothing about God's proclamation that He is one in conflict with the doctrine of the Trinity. |
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I find nothing about God's proclamation that He is one in conflict with the doctrine of the Trinity.
Dude,your kidding....right?!
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