Even when God had commanded them to do so? Jesus not only justifies it but requires it. He didn't say to only love your enemies as long as they aren't that bad, no, he did not.
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I believe the concept of "Unconditional Love" is a pious position that is not supported by the Bible.
John 15:10-12 states, "If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love. These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be full. This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you"
Certainly the Bible presents the generalized concept of loving everyone but then also presents specific things/commandments that God says are unacceptable practices and activities. If God says certain things are unacceptable practices and activities shouldn't Christians also?
Galatians 5:19-23, "Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkness, revellings, and such like: of which I tell you before, as I have also told you in the time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. ---- But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law."
There is merit to the concept of "Loving the Sinner, but not the Sin", but there is also a danger of condoning sin. After a sin has been committed, the sin and the sinner are one and the same.
I do not believe the concept of "Unconditional Love" brings honor to God but does great harm to society.
There is an old saying, "The only thing necessary for evil to flourish, is for good men to do nothing".
I believe it is far better to state sin is unacceptable and that those who commit sin should be rebuked or eliminated from society after a jury trial of their peers.
The Bible says to love your enemies, but not to love sin.
I believe it is far better to state sin is unacceptable and that those who commit sin should be rebuked or eliminated from society after a jury trial of their peers.
That is thoroughly insane.
I mean, I've known you've had that viewpoint for a while, it just never ceases to amaze me.
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I believe it is far better to state sin is unacceptable and that those who commit sin should be rebuked or eliminated from society after a jury trial of their peers.
Yeah, and we could build a nifty place to send them all to. Gee, where have we seen THAT idea carried out before? Nice euphemism there. "Eliminated from society." Sounds like you want to put them all on an island or something. But actually, I suspect you've got something else in mind...
I'm sure wherever you send all the Evil Sinners to, they'll have showers. Right, Clirus?
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I believe it is far better to state sin is unacceptable and that those who commit sin should be rebuked or eliminated from society after a jury trial of their peers.
I agree with you. Consider this; If I were to consider Baptists to be heretics then we should eliminate them from society! Perhaps we can all petition our governments to act immediately and exterminate the above group!
Well said Clirus! Now please join the line for delicing and a shower!
The above is meant as an example and is not meant as flamatory nor as an insult. It is solely meant to apply Clirus's point to apply to any group of people. Thus proving the errancy of his proposal!
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I do not remember the Jews in the concentration camps being given a jury trial.
I do understand why evil people do not what law and orders.
No good ever comes from violating the commandments/doctrines of the Bible.
Great harm comes from not rebuked or eliminated from society after a jury trial of their peers, those that do harm to others by violating the commandments/doctrines of the Bible.
I do not remember the Jews in the concentration camps being given a jury trial.
I do understand why evil people do not what law and orders.
No good ever comes from violating the commandments/doctrines of the Bible.
Great harm comes from not rebuked or eliminated from society after a jury trial of their peers, those that do harm to others by violating the commandments/doctrines of the Bible.
You do realise that in many traditional and old Christian churches; you are considered a Heretic!
So you really have to consider that fact and that you may be on a wrong footing with God.
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The Liberals, Atheists and democrats would say Obama really did not have a choice, but Conservatives, Christians and Republicans would say Bush really did not have a choice.
The only difference is that the Atheistic Liberal News and Entertainment Industry that elected Obama is going to try to put a smiley face on Obama where they put an ugly face on Bush.
Wouldn't it be better to impeach Obama now than to allow things to get worse?
I say impeach Obama now, before he drives America into a depression by implementing Socialistic/Atheistic programs.
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Obama backs pet projects and signs spending bill
By PHILIP ELLIOTT, Associated Press Writer Philip Elliott, Associated Press Writer – Thu Mar 12, 1:41 am ET
WASHINGTON – President Barack Obama, sounding weary of criticism over federal earmarks, defended Congress' pet projects Wednesday as he signed an "imperfect" $410 billion measure with thousands of examples. But he said the spending does need tighter restraint and listed guidelines to do it. Obama, accused of hypocrisy by Republicans for embracing billions of dollars of earmarks in the legislation, said they can be useful and noted that he has promised to curb, not eliminate them.
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I don't see any criminal offense. Not liking someone or a way something is done is not a criminal act. Impeach is an incorrect term for Obama.
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I don't see any criminal offense. Not liking someone or a way something is done is not a criminal act. Impeach is an incorrect term for Obama.
It's always best when reading a clirus post to remember this exchange between Alice and Humpty Dumpty:
"I don't know what you mean by 'glory,'" Alice said.
Humpty Dumpty smiled contemptuously. "Of course you don't – till I tell you. I meant 'there's a nice knock-down argument for you!'"
"But 'glory' doesn't mean 'a nice knock-down argument,'" Alice objected. "When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said in a rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean – neither more nor less."
"The question is," said Alice, "whether you can make words mean so many different things."
"The question is," said Humpty Dumpty, "which is to be master – that's all."
Alice was too much puzzled to say anything, so after a minute Humpty Dumpty began again.
"They've a temper, some of them – particularly verbs, they're the proudest – adjectives you can do anything with, but not verbs – however, I can manage the whole lot! Impenetrability! That's what I say! (emph. added)
tulc(just trying to help)
__________________ So much has been said and sung of beautiful young girls,
why don't somebody wake up to the beauty of old women?
-Harriet Beecher Stowe
To hold the same views at forty as we held at twenty is to have been stupefied for a score of years and to take rank, not as a prophet, but as an unteachable brat, well birched and none the wiser.
- Robert Louis Stevenson
The main doctrine of a fanatic's creed is that his enemies are enemies of God.
-Andrew White
We've all been conditioned to think of love as the heart-pounding,
breathless passion of the young -- not the complex feelings shared by two
time-ravaged people who spend afternoons holding hands, as a defense against
loneliness, disease and death.
-Kate Zernike
So the bad part about the holocaust wasn't the murder, it was the fact they didn't get a trial first. Perfectly reasonable.
If there had been a jury trial there would have been no murder. What was being done in the concentration camps was done in secret. If the people were required to put a seal of approval on the acts that were being done, they would have never done it.
Interesting though, the people paid the price even though they did not put their seal of approval on what was being done in the concentration camps.
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