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5th November 2009, 11:12 AM
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Reps: 420,956,954,470,510,592 (power: 420,956,954,470,530) | | Originally Posted by clirus  I can state things, but it would be best you read the Bible for confirmation.
My bible says to love my enemy (even tax collectors and bar owners love their friends) and that however I treat the least of men is how I treat Jesus.
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6th November 2009, 08:10 AM
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Reps: 1,327,714,146,010,089 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by aisy_Day My bible says to love my enemy (even tax collectors and bar owners love their friends) and that however I treat the least of men is how I treat Jesus.
Is Satan your enemy? Do you love Satan.
Do bar owners love their friends or do they just want to sell more booze by being friendly?
The concept of "loving your enemy" is a classical example of taking a phrase out of context.
Matthew 5:43-44 states, "Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbor, and hate thine enemy. But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; "
The Mosaic Law allowed Jews to violate God's Law when dealing with those that were not Jews (same thing is allowed by Islam). Nothing good ever comes from violating God's Law.
Please note that cursing, hating, despising, and persecuting are all spiritual in nature, and not physical. There is no justification in loving anyone that commits the physical acts of murder, adultery, rape, homosexual activity, etc. |
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Originally Posted by clirus There are many that now recognize that Africa was better off under colonization than they are today.
There was exploitation with colonization, but there was also civilization.
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6th November 2009, 10:28 AM
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Reps: 420,956,954,470,510,592 (power: 420,956,954,470,530) | | Originally Posted by clirus Is Satan your enemy? Do you love Satan.
Do bar owners love their friends or do they just want to sell more booze by being friendly?
Jesus said they did; who are you and I to gainsay him? The concept of "loving your enemy" is a classical example of taking a phrase out of context.
Matthew 5:43-44 states, "Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbor, and hate thine enemy. But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; "
44But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; 45That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
46For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?
47 And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?
48Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.[/quote]The context is clear. As for Satan, the context is clearly about men, but why not love Satan for what he was and have pity? The Mosaic Law allowed Jews to violate God's Law when dealing with those that were not Jews (same thing is allowed by Islam). Nothing good ever comes from violating God's Law.
Are you referring to to the Jews being required to rape, murder and pillage certain enemies when God commanded them to do so? Please note that cursing, hating, despising, and persecuting are all spiritual in nature, and not physical.
They all have physical manifestations. And what do you think "being used dispitefully" means?
Being struck in the face, having your coat stolen and being compelled to walk a mile out of your way are certainly physical acts that Jesus said must not only be accommodated but supplemented by offering your other cheek, your shirt, an extra mile. There is no justification in loving anyone that commits the physical acts of murder, adultery, rape, homosexual activity, etc.
Even when God had commanded them to do so? Jesus not only justifies it but requires it. He didn't say to only love your enemies as long as they aren't that bad, no, he did not.
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If such people were amenable to facts, they would have gotten the point long ago...Whatever it is that is blocking the understanding of the "denialist", it is not access to facts or information. The blockage is most likely emotional, possibly based on fear, and one does not most effectively deal with emotional barriers by using facts as instruments of assault and battery. - Dan Murphy |
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My Mood | | Originally Posted by clirus The Mosaic Law allowed Jews to violate God's Law when dealing with those that were not Jews (same thing is allowed by Islam). Nothing good ever comes from violating God's Law.
Jesus violated God's law? I thought you believed that Jesus is God! So if you are not a Jew then You can be treated badly?
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6th November 2009, 12:16 PM
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Reps: 951,635,942,372,504,192 (power: 951,635,942,372,511) | | Originally Posted by clirus  There are many that now recognize that Africa was better off under colonization than they are today.
There was exploitation with colonization, but there was also civilization.
A civilized prison is still a prison. With colonization came abuse with civilization. It was someone else's civilization, not their own. Their own is infinitely preferable to something from the outside.
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Reps: 80,175,838,156,492,624 (power: 80,175,838,156,509) | | Originally Posted by clirus There are many that now recognize that Africa was better off under colonization than they are today.
There was exploitation with colonization, but there was also civilization.
Well, maybe you should read some African history Clirus. There have been several large African civilizations through the ages. With colonization came European mastery. Enslavement of an entire continent under foreign rule.
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My Mood | | Originally Posted by Mobiosity A civilized prison is still a prison. With colonization came abuse with civilization. It was someone else's civilization, not their own. Their own is infinitely preferable to something from the outside.
We used to call your lot "Barbarians" and for good reason too. That is untill we civilised you. You don't like what I'm saying. Sorry but you are saying the same thing about others.
How civilised is packing chained people in festid and dank boatholds with more than half dying through the voyage? Civilised? I think not.
Clirus you do not seem to comprehend the meaning of the word Civilised. |
6th November 2009, 05:30 PM
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I don't recall Jesus saying " Love your enemies, EXCEPT those who do things you don't like." As for Africa, Africa ruled Egypt while Europeans were still living largely in caves.
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