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Assyrian · #31 20th March 2009, 08:38 AM

Originally Posted by icamewithasword

Fuzzy math...?
If you start with zero (as before the beginning there was nothing (I belive)) when you get to the end of verse 5 you can count "1" (after evening and morning...this was the first day). I would be counting the days as they ended, you would be counting the days from when they started. Either way, six days.
Anyways,
What I feel is important is that there is no other way to read this part of Gen and come out with an understanding contrary to six days of creation.

Well you have
Day 0 which ends in the evening in verse 5
Day 1 begins with the evening in verse 5
Day 2 begins with the evening in verse 8
Day 3 begins with the evening in verse 13
Day 4 begins with the evening in verse 19
Day 5 begins with the evening in verse 23
The 6th day begins with the evening in verse 31, this is after all the creation is finished. And then we have
The 7th day when God Sabbathed in Gen 2:2&3
That is 8 days in total.

If you take these as literal Hebrew Calendar days it just doesn't fit. What Genesis calls the sixth day, is actually the seventh day and the the seventh day when God rested is the eighth day in the account. It does not fit Exodus 20:11 either For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy. The six days God created the world in are not, as you would expect, the six numbered days in Genesis. In Genesis God created on days 0-5. And instead of being the model for a seven day week, Genesis covers eight days, six days of creation on days 0-5 and then a proper weekend; day six (really the seventh day ever) not doing anything in particular and then the Sabbath on the seventh day (which was really the eighth day ever). Given that Genesis does not fit the Hebrew calendar, is it possible they were just not meant to be understood as Hebrew calendar days?

icamewithasword · #32 20th March 2009, 10:44 AM

Originally Posted by Assyrian

Well you have
Day 0 which ends in the evening in verse 5
Day 1 begins with the evening in verse 5
Day 2 begins with the evening in verse 8
Day 3 begins with the evening in verse 13
Day 4 begins with the evening in verse 19
Day 5 begins with the evening in verse 23
The 6th day begins with the evening in verse 31, this is after all the creation is finished. And then we have
The 7th day when God Sabbathed in Gen 2:2&3
That is 8 days in total.

If you take these as literal Hebrew Calendar days it just doesn't fit. What Genesis calls the sixth day, is actually the seventh day and the the seventh day when God rested is the eighth day in the account. It does not fit Exodus 20:11 either For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy. The six days God created the world in are not, as you would expect, the six numbered days in Genesis. In Genesis God created on days 0-5. And instead of being the model for a seven day week, Genesis covers eight days, six days of creation on days 0-5 and then a proper weekend; day six (really the seventh day ever) not doing anything in particular and then the Sabbath on the seventh day (which was really the eighth day ever). Given that Genesis does not fit the Hebrew calendar, is it possible they were just not meant to be understood as Hebrew calendar days?

I believe they were actual days. I am not a scholar by any means, but as i understand it in the original text the word "yom" (?) is used when expressing each day. And that word can have diff meanings when used in diff context, just as "day" can have diff meaning when used in diff context. But when that word "yom" is used in the original text, it can only mean a measurement of time which was "one day" or what we know to be a 24hr day.
You aren't understanding what I was trying to say.
So lets look at it like a NASCAR race....
when the cars get the gren flag-0
then 0.1, 0.2, 0.3 and so on.....
til they come around the full first lap-1
meaning one lap finished
then 1.1, 1.2, 1.3......and so on...

Start at "0" In the beginning...created heaven and earth..Let there be light...separate light from dark...evening and morning, the first day.
Separate waters above expanse from waters under expanse and call the expanse Heaven...evening and morning, the second day.
Gather water to one place...let dry land appear, and call it Earth. Let earth sprout vegetation..trees bearing fruit...evening and morning, the third day.
Lights in heavens (sun and moon), stars...evening and morning, the fourth day.
God made all that moves in the waters and every bird...evening and morning, the fifth day.
God made beasts of the earth, livestock, and every living thing that creeps on the ground....God made man in his own image, male and female...be fruitful and multiply..have dominion over fish, birds, and every living thing that moves on earth...this was very good...evening and morning, the sixth day. (the end of the sixth day)
On the seventh day, God rested, and made that day holy.

Thats my understanding, anyways. Therefore, I believe all creation was completed at the end of day 6, and day 7 was made holy. Now, I don't know if day 1 was a Sunday or a Monday, so I don't know if the 7th day would be a Saturday or Sunday. But since I go to worship service on Sunday (no Saturday service), I try to keep that day holy...And I'm sure that is up for debate somewhere also....
God Bless!

Assyrian · #33 20th March 2009, 11:26 AM

Originally Posted by icamewithasword

I believe they were actual days. I am not a scholar by any means, but as i understand it in the original text the word "yom" (?) is used when expressing each day. And that word can have diff meanings when used in diff context, just as "day" can have diff meaning when used in diff context. But when that word "yom" is used in the original text, it can only mean a measurement of time which was "one day" or what we know to be a 24hr day.

It is the same word yom whether the day is literal or figurative.

You aren't understanding what I was trying to say.
So lets look at it like a NASCAR race....
when the cars get the gren flag-0
then 0.1, 0.2, 0.3 and so on.....
til they come around the full first lap-1
meaning one lap finished
then 1.1, 1.2, 1.3......and so on...

Sorry the only thing I know about NASCAR is that it featured on West Wing, something about cars and kissing Abbey Bartlett.

Start at "0" In the beginning...created heaven and earth..Let there be light...separate light from dark...evening and morning, the first day.
Separate waters above expanse from waters under expanse and call the expanse Heaven...evening and morning, the second day.
Gather water to one place...let dry land appear, and call it Earth. Let earth sprout vegetation..trees bearing fruit...evening and morning, the third day.
Lights in heavens (sun and moon), stars...evening and morning, the fourth day.
God made all that moves in the waters and every bird...evening and morning, the fifth day.
God made beasts of the earth, livestock, and every living thing that creeps on the ground....God made man in his own image, male and female...be fruitful and multiply..have dominion over fish, birds, and every living thing that moves on earth...this was very good...evening and morning, the sixth day. (the end of the sixth day)
On the seventh day, God rested, and made that day holy.

That would be fine if morning marked the completion of the first day. But in the Hebrew calendar, one day ended and the next began in the evening. So by the time you get to '...morning day one' you are half way into the second day. That is assuming Gen 1:1-4 takes an actual day. Either way this whole great work of creation takes place before day one of the six Genesis days even begins. But if Moses is talking Day Age then the problem disappears. They are not meant to be literal calendar days.

Thats my understanding, anyways. Therefore, I believe all creation was completed at the end of day 6, and day 7 was made holy. Now, I don't know if day 1 was a Sunday or a Monday, so I don't know if the 7th day would be a Saturday or Sunday. But since I go to worship service on Sunday (no Saturday service), I try to keep that day holy...And I'm sure that is up for debate somewhere also....
God Bless!

I go with the sabbath was made for man not man for the sabbath and just think it is a good idea to take a break once a week.

icamewithasword · #34 20th March 2009, 12:05 PM

Assyrian,
Just to keep from having to type too much....
Are you saying that creation didn't/ couldn't have been done in 6 days; or are you saying that my understanding of when the six days started and ended is flawed?

Assyrian · #35 20th March 2009, 01:57 PM

I am saying the Genesis account does not fit the Hebrew calendar and was probably not meant to describe a literal six day creation.

Hismessenger · #36 20th March 2009, 11:01 PM

I simply used a term with which we could relate. Eon. God is not governed by time nor is His creation as we understand it. The day could have been a thousand years or twenty four hours. To God it was all everlasting. yesterday today and tomorrow, all in the same breath.

You still believe it was a day for the word said so. But you have no idea how long for until the sun and moon came in to set the seasons, the days and the years, define what then was a day before this since there was light and the light was separated from the darkness. This is not talking about literal light but truth verses lies.

hismessenger

icamewithasword · #37 21st March 2009, 02:32 AM

Originally Posted by Hismessenger

I simply used a term with which we could relate. Eon. God is not governed by time nor is His creation as we understand it. The day could have been a thousand years or twenty four hours. To God it was all everlasting. yesterday today and tomorrow, all in the same breath.

You still believe it was a day for the word said so. But you have no idea how long for until the sun and moon came in to set the seasons, the days and the years, define what then was a day before this since there was light and the light was separated from the darkness. This is not talking about literal light but truth verses lies.

hismessenger

So, we should finish this sentence: For in God all things are possible.
with this: (except for being able to create all things in six days, because that would probably be hard to do).
I must admit, your way of understanding would be so much easier. We simple men cannot grasp the immeasurable powers of the One True God, so we look for answers for what we don't understand from other simple men that place their theories and suppositions in higher regard than The Word. In doing this, man limits the power of God.
I don't know the Hebrew words for "eon" or "millenium" or "more than can be counted". But I'm pretty sure there were other words than "yom" that could have been used to describe the "days" in Gen.
As you cannot believe in the creation as accounted for Genesis, I would then suppose you cannot believe the whole virgin birth, walking on water, water into wine, feeding 5000, healing lepers, resurrection thingies.....
What does science say about these? Or have scientists not theorized on this sufficiently for you to form an opinion?
I cannot believe that you don't see yourself as a "debunker of scripture". God is either providing us with Truth, or lies. There is no gray area, here. Has the Holy Spirit lead you to believe God lies? Or has the Holy Spirit lead you to believe you are above the Word? Is the Holy Spirit there?