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Don't pentecostals insist that a Baptism of the Holy Spirit evidenced in tongues is a MUST for an overall salvation experience?
Charismatics I get completely...I'm no cessationist by any stretch of the imagination.
I don't get Pentecostals at all theologically.
thanks for answering.
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I believe in God the Father Almighty,
Maker of heaven and earth:
And in Jesus Christ his only Son our Lord,
Who was conceived by the Holy Ghost,
Born of the Virgin Mary,
Suffered under Pontius Pilate,
Was crucified, dead, and buried:
He descended into hell;
The third day he rose again from the dead;
He ascended into heaven,
And sitteth on the right hand of God the Father Almighty;
From thence he shall come to judge the quick and the dead.
I believe in the Holy Ghost;
The holy catholic Church;
The Communion of Saints;
The Forgiveness of sins;
The Resurrection of the body,
And the Life everlasting.
Amen.
Don't pentecostals insist that a Baptism of the Holy Spirit evidenced in tongues is a MUST for an overall salvation experience?
Charismatics I get completely...I'm no cessationist by any stretch of the imagination.
I don't get Pentecostals at all theologically.
thanks for answering.
no not at all.
There are some who do, but they are mostly fringers and heretics, like the oneness pentecostals who deny Trinity and make tongues salvific.
No, most pentecostals see the issue of Spirit Baptism and salvation as distinct experiences. One can be genuinely saved and never experience Spirit Baptism.
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It always puzzles me when people evince the idea that mainstream Pentecostals believe Spirit-baptism evidenced by tongues-speaking is necessary as proof of salvation.
Here are the AG Fundamental Truths, which show with reasonable clarity that they believe Spirit-baptism to be distinct from salvation.
Here is the Foursquare statement of faith. Perhaps a tad less explicit than the AG, but still clear enough.
Those are typical of the large majority of Pentecostal churches.
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Why would it puzzle you?
Don't assume a baptist knows ANYTHING about your denom. And the fact that this is a forum where question and answers are the norm....why would we look up denom websites when we can get easier(more understandable answers in most cases) from a member here!?
I would suggest that you don't get so puzzled.
thanks.
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I believe in God the Father Almighty,
Maker of heaven and earth:
And in Jesus Christ his only Son our Lord,
Who was conceived by the Holy Ghost,
Born of the Virgin Mary,
Suffered under Pontius Pilate,
Was crucified, dead, and buried:
He descended into hell;
The third day he rose again from the dead;
He ascended into heaven,
And sitteth on the right hand of God the Father Almighty;
From thence he shall come to judge the quick and the dead.
I believe in the Holy Ghost;
The holy catholic Church;
The Communion of Saints;
The Forgiveness of sins;
The Resurrection of the body,
And the Life everlasting.
Amen.
Why would it puzzle you?
Don't assume a baptist knows ANYTHING about your denom. And the fact that this is a forum where question and answers are the norm....why would we look up denom websites when we can get easier(more understandable answers in most cases) from a member here!?
I would suggest that you don't get so puzzled.
thanks.
I don't think he meant it personally brother.
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I believe in God the Father Almighty,
Maker of heaven and earth:
And in Jesus Christ his only Son our Lord,
Who was conceived by the Holy Ghost,
Born of the Virgin Mary,
Suffered under Pontius Pilate,
Was crucified, dead, and buried:
He descended into hell;
The third day he rose again from the dead;
He ascended into heaven,
And sitteth on the right hand of God the Father Almighty;
From thence he shall come to judge the quick and the dead.
I believe in the Holy Ghost;
The holy catholic Church;
The Communion of Saints;
The Forgiveness of sins;
The Resurrection of the body,
And the Life everlasting.
Amen.
Why would it puzzle you?
Don't assume a baptist knows ANYTHING about your denom. And the fact that this is a forum where question and answers are the norm....why would we look up denom websites when we can get easier(more understandable answers in most cases) from a member here!?
I would suggest that you don't get so puzzled.
thanks.
I'm puzzled by the tone of your response.
I think there would be general agreement that the notion that tongues-speaking is a necessary evidence of salvation is heterodox if not heretical. So it "puzzles" me when people assume that a basic tenet of Pentecostalism is heterodox or heretical, particularly when it is fairly easy to look up the beliefs of the major Pentecostal denominations.
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"Logic: The art of being wrong with confidence." -- ComputerGear T-Shirt
"Well THAT was a slap and a tickle!" -- William the Bloody
Gordon Fee is a master of hermeneutic exegesis and expository application...I wouldn't discount his take on matters quickly. Most Pentecostal associated colleges use his book on the dialectic and processes of text, as a primary liturgy for conclusion. Even after he questioned doctrine thoroughly, they will not reduce their dependence on his opinion of how to read scripture correctly.
How to read scripture correctly and surmise practical conclusions from it is the basis of theology, right?
His questions of initial evidence, being a physical (vocal) manifestation of the infilling, are justified, if not from a singular (personal) platform, but as a doctrine mostly.
I was filled when I spoke out loud, so personally, tongues as initial evidence is true...but I see the possibilities for anarchy and exclusion for teaching (and creating by-laws and ordination edicts) a hardliner position on this as distinctive. All in all, we're on the same team...I just suggest giving a bit of credence to Fee's dissertation
Gordon Fee is a master of hermeneutic exegesis and expository application...I wouldn't discount his take on matters quickly. Most Pentecostal associated colleges use his book on the dialectic and processes of text, as a primary liturgy for conclusion. Even after he questioned doctrine thoroughly, they will not reduce their dependence on his opinion of how to read scripture correctly.
How to read scripture correctly and surmise practical conclusions from it is the basis of theology, right?
His questions of initial evidence, being a physical (vocal) manifestation of the infilling, are justified, if not from a singular (personal) platform, but as a doctrine mostly.
I was filled when I spoke out loud, so personally, tongues as initial evidence is true...but I see the possibilities for anarchy and exclusion for teaching (and creating by-laws and ordination edicts) a hardliner position on this as distinctive. All in all, we're on the same team...I just suggest giving a bit of credence to Fee's dissertation
Fee is good . . . he is just not consistent.
I have a few of his books . . . and, while the initial evidence doctrine is surely NOT as solid as, say, the deity of Christ, it certainly is a sound doctrine when approached the same way as the Menzies' do.
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